Lord's Prayer

[Adam14]

I’ve noticed that there’s a difference Catholics/Protestants the verbage/text of the Lord’s Prayer.

The Catholic “version” doesn’t include

“For Thine is the Kindom…the Power, the Glory…”…etc

Is this just a difference in the versions of the bibles?

I certainly don’t see why Protestants or Catholics would have a major problem with the other’s versions, so please don’t turn this into a “ours is better!” argument! I’m just curious about the difference.

My wife used to be Catholic, and now when we recite the Lord’s prayer, she isn’t used to the part I mentioned above.

But when we attend mass with her family(don’t worry, out of respect of the Catholic beliefs, I don’t partake in communion there), I’ve almost continued with the Lord’s prayer when the rest of the congregation stopped at the same time

I guess it would have been easy to point out the non-Catholic in that service

 

[AngelRose81]

In my RSV-CE bible it does not say the extra part but I also have a RSV that has the Deuterocanicals separated that does not include it as well. I think it may depend on each translation. ALso, we do say it in Mass but it is not directly after the Our Father.

 

[Pug]

Maybe you’d feel a little less like a sore thumb at mass with your relatives if you thought of it this way, the Catholics are reciting the Lord’s Prayer, and right before the end of it, the congregation pauses and the priest inserts a few words, then the congregation continues with the words you are accustomed to, but in a different translation:

For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever.

That is kind of familiar, no?

But it is true, what Catholics call the Our Father is shorter than the usual Protestant version of the Lord’s Prayer. I think this might have to do with manuscript evidence for the gospel of Matthew, in combination with tradition. The King James Bible I think had a less ancient Greek manuscript that they were using to translate to the English, with that later addition in it. This altered how the prayer was said by those who followed the KJB? There is more to the story, but that is the very basic answer. Modern scholarship thinks that doxology is a latter addition to the Greek text. But there is nothing wrong at all with people reciting either version of the prayer. Just pray!

 

[Adam14]

Maybe you’d feel a little less like a sore thumb at mass with your relatives if you thought of it this way, the Catholics are reciting the Lord’s Prayer, and right before the end of it, the congregation pauses and the priest inserts a few words, then the congregation continues with the words you are accustomed to, but in a different translation:

For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever.

That is kind of familiar, no?

But it is true, what Catholics call the Our Father is shorter than the usual Protestant version of the Lord’s Prayer. I think this might have to do with manuscript evidence for the gospel of Matthew, in combination with tradition. The King James Bible I think had a less ancient Greek manuscript that they were using to translate to the English, with that later addition in it. This altered how the prayer was said by those who followed the KJB? There is more to the story, but that is the very basic answer. Modern scholarship thinks that doxology is a latter addition to the Greek text. But there is nothing wrong at all with people reciting either version of the prayer. Just pray!

Thanks for the explanation! For me, that last part was like trying to sing a song you don’t know the words to…you know when you just sorta mumble quietly…

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

I’ve noticed that there’s a difference Catholics/Protestants the verbage/text of the Lord’s Prayer.

The Catholic “version” doesn’t include

“For Thine is the Kindom…the Power, the Glory…”…etc

Is this just a difference in the versions of the bibles?

I certainly don’t see why Protestants or Catholics would have a major problem with the other’s versions, so please don’t turn this into a “ours is better!” argument! I’m just curious about the difference.

My wife used to be Catholic, and now when we recite the Lord’s prayer, she isn’t used to the part I mentioned above.

But when we attend mass with her family(don’t worry, out of respect of the Catholic beliefs, I don’t partake in communion there), I’ve almost continued with the Lord’s prayer when the rest of the congregation stopped at the same time

I guess it would have been easy to point out the non-Catholic in that service

The Lord’s Prayer in Luke doesn’t have the ending at all.

The Lord’s Prayer in Matthew has this ending, but the original Greek text supposedly didn’t include it. The KJV translators included it.

In the Lutheran ELCA church I attend, we use the ending at Holy Communion.

Peace…

MW

 

[Yerusalyim]

The doxology at the end of the Lord’s Prayer found in some older bibles was not in the Original but was a foot note really, or a doxology of praise, but never part of the original text.

 

[inthecloud]

The Doxology is the the Didache form of the Lord’s Prayer. It was added latter bu copyst to the Greek manuscrite used in the KJV.
Is not in the original manuscrites.