Lou Dobbs

[blessedtoo]

I was saying that people like Mahony have a lot of influence and should be criticized when they do stupid stuff. However, I agree that most major news sources are biased against the Church.

Full agreement here. If you read some of the threads here on CAF, you will see how frequently Mahoney is criticized!

 

[T1pp]

You’re using the Magesterium in the wrong context. The magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church. Bishops that teach Doctrines that are contrary to the Catholic belief can be outside the magesterium.

Why are the Bishops so vocal on condemning americans that insist on the laws being followed but remain silent on the issue of the Mexican government not taking care of their poor? Catholic teaching is that we must obey the civil law. That means no hopping fences where it’s prohibited.

You’re correct…I was using Magestrium incorrectly. Also, I’m not quite as upset about this issue as I was yesterday. It’s just that lately, Mr. Dobbs can’t let a broadcast go by without maligning the Church. And it’s little more than just taking exception to the Bishops’ position. He’s one of those pundits who believe that his position is the only correct position and if you don’t agree, it must be due to sinister reasons.

The thing is during the mid and late nineties, when the job market was humming along at near full employement, the government stopped enforcing immigration laws because the labor was needed. Now that those boom times are over and the workers are no longer needed, we’ve turned against them and have vilified them. That’s not fair to do any human being. I agree that the current immigration environment is not sustainable or in the interest of our country, but those who are here; who were invited here by American companies, and treated with a wink and nod at the time by the government, must be treated justly and humanely.

 

[Michael_C]

You’re correct…I was using Magestrium incorrectly. Also, I’m not quite as upset about this issue as I was yesterday. It’s just that lately, Mr. Dobbs can’t let a broadcast go by without maligning the Church. And it’s little more than just taking exception to the Bishops’ position. He’s one of those pundits who believe that his position is the only correct position and if you don’t agree, it must be due to sinister reasons.

The thing is during the mid and late nineties, when the job market was humming along at near full employement, the government stopped enforcing immigration laws because the labor was needed. Now that those boom times are over and the workers are no longer needed, we’ve turned against them and have vilified them. That’s not fair to do any human being. I agree that the current immigration environment is not sustainable or in the interest of our country, but those who are here; who were invited here by American companies, and treated with a wink and nod at the time by the government, must be treated justly and humanely.

Hi T1pp,

If the core of your complaint is that people loosely throw around digs at the Church I support you 100%. I’m the same way. If you really are a glutton for punishment you should get a subscription to Time magazine where throughout the magazine there are little digs and misrepresentations weekly. Be warned, you gotta have thick skin.

 

[davy39]

I believe Lou Dobbs, like most of us, is really upset at the inaction of both parties, the President, and everybody else, to help our enforce our present border laws, and I agree with him. Cardinal Mahoney doesn’t speak for the whole magestarium, although sometimes he thinks he does. I believe our border situation is every bit as serious as Iraq, Iran, or anything else. Dealing with the present illegal aliens doesn’t do any good until the rupture of our borders is stopped. Would Mahoney be so concerned, if all the illegals were evangelicals? I doubt it.

 

[Ammonius_Saccus]

Of course the Bishops stand to be criticized for their handling of the abuse scandal, but not when it isn’t germane to the current discussion (immigration). Although I think for the most part the errors in judgment were more the result of a lack of understanding of the pathology of a sexual abuser than a sinister cover-up. But still, it was mishandled.

Back to Lou Dobbs and the immigration debate. Are you saying that Lou Dobbs is correct and the Magestrium is in error?

Mishandled? They helped criminals rape children. They did this actively. And they still have not released all the information. In fact, releasing the information is cause for excommunication. They are still protecting these rapists. i wondering they are still assisting in the rapes of children.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010518_epistula_graviora%20delicta_lt.html

 

[Seagirt]

Where is the conflict between Lou Dobbs and the Magesterium? Do a some bishops, trying to destroy America, constitute “the Magesterium”?

Ronald Reagan said that a nation without secure borders is not a nation. Without documentation, folks crossing our borders bring disease, unvaccinated children, contaminated fruits and veggies and sometimes drugs. You can’t distinguish the poor, longing for a better life , from the drug dealers and terrorists. The BISHOPS need to denounce to corruption of the 10 super-wealthy families that control Mexico and keep the people poor— but they haven’t got the guts.
At least Lou Dobbs says something about keeping America what it used to be-- a shining Beacon-- for LEGAL immigrants.

 

[mary_bobo]

Is Lou Dobbs really “going after the Church”; or is he just going after corrupt bishops and homosexual priests?

Bill O’Reilly is generally a loudmouth and offensive neocon. However, it is good that he is attacking the bishops for their “stand” on immigration.

Neocon is a buzz word for anyone who is not a liberal. It does not describe conservatives in the least. O’Reilly can be annoying but he is an equal opportunity lecturer. He is not a conservative.

 

[Tom317]

Neocon is a buzz word for anyone who is not a liberal. It does not describe conservatives in the least. O’Reilly can be annoying but he is an equal opportunity lecturer. He is not a conservative.

BO is also quite often very strongly anti-Catholic, and he makes a claim to being Catholic.

 

[Esperance]

Bill Donahue of the Catholic League commented on Lou Dobbs hatred of the Catholic Church today on EWTN. One might think he is just waiting until viewers are interested in the papal visit to prop up a personal political agenda, but he has a history of anti-Catholic attacks. Blessed are the persecuted…

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Why are the Bishops so vocal on condemning americans that insist on the laws being followed but remain silent on the issue of the Mexican government not taking care of their poor? Catholic teaching is that we must obey the civil law. That means no hopping fences where it’s prohibited.

That’s the big issue I have, and it makes me feel so conflicted, as a Catholic, because I really do love the Church, and always try to give the Bishops the benefit of the doubt. I really have a problem w/ the Mexican Bishops criticizing American immigration policy, given the state of their country, and the fact that Mexican immigration laws are way more stringent than ours! And I’m not anti-immigration. I totally feel for people wanting to escape a horrible existance and make a better life for themself, I’m for making it easier for people to come to the U.S. legally, especially if we really do need their labor as bad as some claim (of course, others claim their actually “taking jobs” from Americans, I personally don’t know which is true), and I think immigrants enrich our culture (I’m not afraid that white people may no longer be the majority, most white people-and I am one-don’t impress me much). BUT, we do have a right to enforce the laws we have, and secure our border. Every nation has that right. The Vatican has even said that, although acknowledging that people have a right to emigrate, countries have a right to protect their borders as well. I honestly don’t know why we’re made out to be such racist xenophobic ogres.

BUT (another but), I also hate it when the media uses the sex abuse scandel as an excuse to dismiss everything the Bishops (or Pope or Magisterium) say. It’s like they don’t have a real argument, so they throw that out. The Catholic Church is no longer allowed to speak out against abortion, bc, same sex marriage, and now immigration, (which is related to that issue how?). Yes, it was horrible, the Bishops screwed up, and now they’re paying for it (along w/ the rest of us ). But if that is reason to not speak out about issues, then no church official, whatever the denomination, or public school teacher or administrator, or scout leader can have an opinion on anything, either.

Just my :twocents: + :twocents: about the issue.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Oops, I just noticed that this thread is a year old (don’t know why it got resurrected). Nevermind.

In Christ,

Ellen