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[CourtingTex]

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have learned in the beginning and after 30 plus years of membership, that my church has enemies, whether here on Catholic Answers forums or otherwise ----- to do what is right personally continues to guide from the beginning to this day, I love those who hate me because of my church’s doctrine and/or being a member. I am not indifferent, for example to Catholicism, of which I was loyal to decades ago — I respect those who are loyal to it ---- this applies to other Christian churches or those who have no religion, by their own choice.

Jesus Christ is the example that I choose to follow versus the world around me who are no interest in my church or no interest in any religion at all.

Loving my neighbor would make the world better in light of the contention and violence that exists in a number of cities in the USA currently.

 

[adamhovey1988]

my church has enemies, whether here on Catholic Answers forums or otherwise

We’re not your enemies. YOU are the one that comes here proselytizing.

which I was loyal to decades ago

According to some of your posts, it was a few years ago.

Jesus Christ is the example that I choose to follow

The brother of Satan?

Loving my neighbor would make the world better in light of the contention and violence that exists in a number of cities in the USA currently.

Agreed, but I think you have a persecution complex.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I have learned in the beginning and after 30 plus years of membership, that my church has enemies, whether here on Catholic Answers forums or otherwise -

Nobody’s your “enemy” here on Catholic Answers.
With respect to faith issues, it’s obvious when you decide to visit and post on a website called “Catholic Answers” that is clearly an evangelization website to inform others about the Catholic faith, we’re not going to be promoting non-Catholic religions here.
If I joined some forum called “LDS Answers”, I would not expect them to react with joy to me trying to promote Catholicism, nor would I call them my “enemies”.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

What is the point of this thread?

 

[CourtingTex]

So, are you saying that I have no choice in stating my own views? Catholic Answers, in my view, is filled with a lot of opinions, whether I as a former Catholic agree with them or not. My views are stated not to share ---- my intention is state my views only. If those, and I submit there a number of them on the forums now, who are former members of my church or those who have never been a member, yet to profess to be a “expert” on what I believe are committed to get me to “tell the truth according to that person’s views” ---- my conviction of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not going to end to have me return to Catholicism, which I left decades ago. I respect those who are loyal to Catholicism, or other forms of Christianity or no religion at all ---- that is my chief point -----I will not walk away or dismiss what I believe now to return to Catholicism, or according to some is that what I should do, again to be clear here ----- dismiss the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and return to Catholicism — again no plans to return to Catholicism.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I respect those who are loyal to Catholicism, or other forms of Christianity or no religion at all ---- that is my chief point -----I will not walk away or dismiss what I believe now to return to Catholicism, or according to some is that what I should do, again to be clear here ----- dismiss the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and return to Catholicism — again no plans to return to Catholicism.

Don’t think I understand. Do you plan to return to Catholicism or not?

 

[CourtingTex]

The state my views — again my views and get your replies to them or according to you there is something wrong in doing that?

 

[CourtingTex]

No plans of returning Catholicism.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

There aren’t any views being stated, at least none that I can see. I don’t know why you’d start a thread without a single question or thing to discuss.

No plans of returning Catholicism.

Perfect. I don’t think you said it enough in my quoted post, that’s why I asked.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

You can state what you want, but if your view is not in accordance with the Catholic Church, you are likely to be challenged on that view or find people less than receptive.

For you to then call them “Enemies” is uncharitable.

 

[CourtingTex]

I have no issue with being challenged ---- my chief point is when folks who in my view have never been a member of my church OR they are former members who are “experts” ---- if you want to challenge my conviction of what I believe, from the Holy Ghost, which does not lie ---- that is their choice.

My use of the word enemies, refers in my view those, who are not friendly to my church and usually have a agenda to say “what they believe or think what I believe”. I love them, nonetheless I do not agree with their views.

 

[mcq72]

My use of the word enemies, refers in my view those, who are not friendly to my church and usually have a agenda to say “what they believe or think what I believe”.

Does anyone ever have your view right?

Everyone here does not like to be misreprented. I think it is possible to be fair in understanding other views. Yet many are defensive when someone else claims to understand, or even come out and leave another understanding, by saying they never really understood, or are not really “experts” as you say. It is hard to admit that some have really understood, even walked in our shoes, and still reject it or claim to find something “better”.

As to an agenda, everybody has one I hope, or else why would we get up in the morning, or come here to CAF, etc…Iron sharpens iron, and what melts wax hardens clay. Who is open to the Spirit’s discerning of all things?

Usually the most broken have it right.

 

[CourtingTex]

So explain to me, when I say definitely that the Holy Ghost confirms to me the truth of my church, some on forums here mock me, saying I am a fool to be brainwashed, etc, etc. I could say the say of a Catholic or other religious person, of course I do not. Whether they have my view right or not, my view should be respected, period. I have a lot of issues with Catholicism, yet I do not go bashing those are loyal to it or for that matter any other religion, SO why should I not have the same courtesy, whether you like my church or not?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

If you feel you received an inappropriate or disrespectful post mocking your faith, etc. then the correct behavior is to flag it as inappropriate and let the moderator deal with it.

I can tell you from my personal experience that the mods do not hesitate to delete a post or warn the poster when they feel the poster has been too harsh on a non-Catholic.

At the same time, you need to be judicious in determining when you are actually being mocked or called names or other inappropriate behavior. Many people on these forums complain they are being mocked or disrespected when another poster disagrees with them, and sometimes it’s hard to read the tone of a post. I have not seen the posts in question to which you refer so I make no judgment in your situation.

 

[mcq72]

So explain to me, when I say definitely that the Holy Ghost confirms to me the truth of my church, some on forums here mock me, saying I am a fool to be brainwashed, etc,…my view should be respected,

Well sorry for any past discourtesy…don’t think any has been shown here on this thread but yes with some skepticism, possibly from some past experience with you on other threads…not sure.

I have received the same routine as you probably, as to the citing of the fact that generally the Holy Spirit isn’t going around telling people different foundational truths, as in “one of us is wrong”, or “we both can’t be right”, or “truth is absolute”.

I used to get very mad and argumentative with folks who pushed a personal revelation and experience with Jesus, of needing a new birth and salvific trust in Jesus ( exclusive of any church affiliation). It all stopped when I finally broke down gave in, repented, and was born again, having a personal salvific and lording experience with Jesus.

Lol…
I use to be soooo sure I was right, till I met an even surer Jesus.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

I have no issue with being challenged ---- my chief point is when folks who in my view have never been a member of my church OR they are former members who are “experts” ---- if you want to challenge my conviction of what I believe, from the Holy Ghost, which does not lie ---- that is their choice.

You keep repeating that most people here aren’t Mormon. I’m not sure why that’s surprising or noteworthy. This is a Catholic forum; most people are Catholic.

You also keep repeating that you don’t want your views challenged because they come from the Holy Ghost. Okay, fair enough, so why are you here? If you only value the opinions of other Mormons who are going to agree that whatever you believe comes from the Holy Spirit, then it seems like you’re in the wrong place.

 

[Pattylt]

Question…

If a Mormon feels he has the conviction of truth from the Holy Spirit and thus is justified in his belief, what is a Catholic that has the same conviction from the Holy Spirit supposed to do or say when the convictions are in conflict?

On a catholic forum where people have not only their own conviction of truth but also a 2000 year old church backing them up, what is surprising to you that you will have your errors pointed out? Wouldn’t this exact same scenario in reverse happen on an LDS site?

Did you come here to learn about catholic beliefs or to correct their errors?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

You also keep repeating that you don’t want your views challenged because they come from the Holy Ghost. Okay, fair enough, so why are you here? If you only value the opinions of other Mormons who are going to agree that whatever you believe comes from the Holy Spirit, then it seems like you’re in the wrong place.

Yeah, I’ve run into this in the past with other non-Catholics on here.

Me: The Church teaches ABC.

Non-Catholic: That can’t be right. My church teaches XYZ not ABC. I was always taught XYZ is correct. How can you possibly say ABC is right and XYZ is wrong when my very holy and loving parents and grands believed XYZ? Are you saying there’s no room for these good people to take a different view?

Me: I’m just stating what the Catholic Church teaches. The Church teaches XYZ is wrong and ABC is correct. It doesn’t matter what your church says on the matter.

NC: How can you say such a thing? You’re disrespecting my faith.

Me: Sorry but this is a Catholic forum and we’re supposed to present correct Catholic teaching here. Which I did; I posted the correct Catholic teaching. I can’t very well change Catholic teaching just because you or any other non-Catholic doesn’t like it.

NC: Well, in my opinion, the Church is wrong.

Me: That’s your opinion, but your opinion makes no difference to the Church.

NC: Well, prove your opinion is right then! Got any evidence?

Me: It’s not my opinion, it’s Catholic teaching, and this is a Catholic forum. I don’t have to prove the truth of Catholic teaching to you here. Besides, our beliefs are based on faith, not evidence.

NC: You’re a horrible person, saying my sainted parents and grandparents were wrong. Are you saying they went to Hell then?

Me: I have no idea where they went. I would certainly pray that they didn’t go to Hell. But they still weren’t following correct Church teaching.

It’s like, why do non-Catholics even read this forum if they’re going to get wound up by the fact that Catholics are not going to agree with them?

When I watch an Orthodox video, I’m fully prepared for the video maker at some point to say the Catholic Church is wrong. I’m secure in my faith so I just ignore that part, except for a passing interest in how Orthodox think.

 

[CourtingTex]

Correction ---- some folks are former Mormons — some have never been members, yet claim to be “experts”.

Correction ----- you can challenge all you wish, does not mean I am not open to hearing differing views.

Correction ----- I am here to give my views in light of the general views of most that my faith, should be mocked, belittled, and why I am in that “cult”, referring to the church. I could say similar about Catholics or other religions, of course I do not.

 

[YHWH_Christ]

I have learned in the beginning and after 30 plus years of membership, that my church has enemies, whether here on Catholic Answers forums or otherwise

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an enemy of truth.