Loved All The Same - "Two Mommies, Two Daddies" cover story of Northwest Magazine

[urban-hermit]

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/pacificnw03252007/2003631418_pacificpmommies25.html

This was the cover story on Sunday’s Northwest Magazine insert in the Seattle Times.

I guess they are trying to pawn it off as a puff piece, but I find it to be propaganda - with falsehoods which kind of frame the article presented in the very first paragraph.

Maybe we should all start Natural Law study groups, or Marriage study groups in all our parishes! This way our people would not be taken in so easily by this kind of thing.

 

[nichjake]

I would have gladly taken either two moms or two dads over the terrible mother I had and the dad that wasn’t there.

 

[mary_bobo]

I would have gladly taken either two moms or two dads over the terrible mother I had and the dad that wasn’t there.

Welcome to the forum. I hope you find your time here worth your time here. Their is much to learn and you may ask questions as you wish.

 

[litllulu]

I would have gladly taken either two moms or two dads over the terrible mother I had and the dad that wasn’t there.

Thats really sad, I also had a terrible father. I can appreciate your comments. However, if it is between a good Mom, and Dad, I would take the Mom and Dad over the Mommy and Mommy or Daddy and Daddy. We need both sexes in the family, its good for a healthy development. But what can I say? What do you expect to happen when we deem men as some disposable element in parenting hence, all the woman who CHOOSE single parenthood.

 

[blessedtoo]

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/pacificnw03252007/2003631418_pacificpmommies25.html

This was the cover story on Sunday’s Northwest Magazine insert in the Seattle Times.

I guess they are trying to pawn it off as a puff piece, but I find it to be propaganda - with falsehoods which kind of frame the article presented in the very first paragraph.

Maybe we should all start Natural Law study groups, or Marriage study groups in all our parishes! This way our people would not be taken in so easily by this kind of thing.

I searched for an hour online last night looking for this article! I had seen it in the store and was going to pick it up but decided to search for it on the net. Thank you for posting it!

Where to start???

This article makes me so sad. Since it’s the Seattle Times, I knew it would be as one-sided as could be, but it still shocks me when something like this is written without any hint of “the other side”. Just in my own family I could present the case of how devastating two “mommies” can be to a young child. Because the homosexual political lobby is TERRIFIED of any negative press, pieces such as this are so obviously slanted that it is hard for me to believe it largely goes without redress.

I found this set-up by the author to be the most revealing part of the article:

Let pundits pontificate on their talk shows. We’ll consult the real experts. Who better to tell you about their lives and perspectives than the kids themselves?

What do they actually expect the children to say? Even children who are being abused by a parent will repeatedly choose to go home with them. My 37 year old nephew, who 22 years ago left home and preferred to live on the street when his mother brought her “lover” into the home still will not speak honestly about how this unnatural “arrangement” affected him. And I believe it’s especially difficult for boys to speak out truthfully about their mothers.

My mom decided to send me to a private Lutheran school. In seventh grade, one of my teachers would talk about homosexuality and how it’s a sin. I was Methodist at the time; my mom and I would go to church every Sunday. I really believed, then. I couldn’t imagine my mom going to hell. That really hurt me. It seemed utterly ridiculous that God would create someone in such a way and then punish them for being just who they are.

This young man instintively jumped to his mother’s defense. In all these cases, it is NOT about defending a “lifestyle” at all. It becomes an issue of defending the mother herself and it is impossible for a young child to differentiate between the two. It’s an terrible situation for any child to be in, for who could sit still while the perception is that a parent is being attacked? It’s a horribly unfair position in which to place a child.

 

[Jennifer123]

I don’t think the authors are aware of the studies of Dr. Sarantakos, or they were too interested in publishing more PR in favor of homosexual unions.

familyresearchinst.org/FRR_01_06.html

Either way, it should give grave pause to the situation we are placing young children.

 

[urban-hermit]

Almost 2 years ago, this appeared in the irreverant Seattle free paper, “The Stranger”. I thought it was noteworthy, if not remarkable, because it is not particularly pro-Gay.

It contains some testimony from a man raised by lesbians.

CAUTION - there is much foul language in this link. I’m only posting it because if you read between the lines I feel there is also a lot of truth expressed, which is a sort of balancing testimony, and which you will rarely see published elsewhere.
thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=21935

 

[beckers]

here is another article that goes against this thought…

In strange twist, lesbian asks Ga. court to ban gays from adoptingchron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/4660354.html
ATLANTA — Sara Wheeler’s life has become a contradiction.
Once a proud lesbian, she’s now a pariah in the gay community.
Once in a committed relationship with a female partner, she’s rethinking her sexuality.

And now she’s doing something she once would have considered unthinkable — arguing that gays don’t have the legal right to adopt children.

Wheeler is coming to grips with the fact that she’s become an outcast for taking this step in a custody fight for her child. But she says that isn’t what her fight is about: “It’s about motherly rights.”

Wheeler, 36, and her partner, Missy, decided to start a family together and share the Wheeler last name. In 2000, Sara Wheeler gave birth to a son, Gavin, through artificial insemination. Two years later, they decided Missy Wheeler should adopt the child and legally become his second parent.

Georgia law doesn’t specifically say whether gay parents can adopt a child, so the decision was up to a judge in the Atlanta area’s DeKalb County. After an adoption investigator determined that both partners wanted it, the judge cleared the request.

The couple’s relationship later soured. Missy Wheeler wouldn’t comment for this story, but her attorney, Nora Bushfield, said Sara became involved with someone else and wouldn’t let Missy and Gavin see each other.

 

[sophie1]

I would have gladly taken either two moms or two dads over the terrible mother I had and the dad that wasn’t there.

Why does it have to be a choice between bad and worse? Doesn’t every child deserve the ideal?

I would like to ask you a couple of questions about your atheism, since you made the invitation. Here they are: On what do you base your morality? Have you followed the basis of your morality out to its logical end? How old are you?

 

[Holly3278]

Gay parents should not be allowed to adopt children. Children need a mother and a father.

 

[Jennifer123]

Almost 2 years ago, this appeared in the irreverant Seattle free paper, “The Stranger”. I thought it was noteworthy, if not remarkable, because it is not particularly pro-Gay.

It contains some testimony from a man raised by lesbians.

CAUTION - there is much foul language in this link. I’m only posting it because if you read between the lines I feel there is also a lot of truth expressed, which is a sort of balancing testimony, and which you will rarely see published elsewhere.
thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=21935

I appreciated the link, but it is the same tired argument IMHO, that homosexuals are self-loathing because society makes them that way and if only we “fundamentalist bigots” would leave them be, they and their families would be fine.
But it certainly was exposing some of the ugly truth, which you are right, it is surprising.

 

[nichjake]

Why does it have to be a choice between bad and worse? Doesn’t every child deserve the ideal?

I would like to ask you a couple of questions about your atheism, since you made the invitation. Here they are: On what do you base your morality? Have you followed the basis of your morality out to its logical end? How old are you?

Yes, every child does deserve the ideal but far too often they don’t get it. In my situation my mother was highly abusive and my father was 2000 miles away (not by his own choice). I would have taken a homosexual couple as my parents over that any day. But yes, given the choice between an two good heterosexual parents and two good homosexual parents I’d opt for the heterosexuals even though I have no problems with gays adopting…whats worse, two loving parents or the foster care system?

Questions, fair enough. I’m 19, I’ve been an atheist pretty much all my life despite growing up in the Baptist community, I just couldn’t force myself to believe in something that just doesn’t seem probable or even plausible to me. I’ve pretty much been ostracized from my highly disfunctional family because of it.
I base my morality on what I feel in my heart is correct and now my ethics are getting stronger and stronger. When I was forced to go to church I followed the morals forced upon me because thats what I was told to do and I’d get in trouble if I disobeyed. Now I follow my own morals and they do closely remsemble those taught by the church except I’ve developed the notion that people are people and deserve to be treated equally with equal rights and that people ought to treat others the way they want to be treated.
I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “Have you followed the basis of your morality out to its logical end”, can you explain further?

 

[blessedtoo]

Even if we grow up to be straight, we don’t grow up to be normal. Straight kids with gay male parents inherit your campy jokes, good fashion sense, effeminate mannerisms, and sense of cultural entitlement. Straight kids with lesbian parents inherit your ability to “process” our feelings, terrible fashion sense, awareness of sexual fluidity, and sense of cultural victimization.

The author made a profound point here, and the fact that he acknowledges that he has inherited a “sense of cultural victimization” from his homosexual parents sort of takes the air out of his later observations about societal bigotry. People who are indoctrinated with the “victim” mentality see oppression at every turn.

And it is the author’s own words that children of gay parents do not grow up to be normal. The inherited traits, while tongue and cheek, blur the lines between gender roles and make future generations even more confused than our culture already is.

 

[Jennifer123]

whats worse, two loving parents or the foster care system?

While foster care has its share of problems, it has done a lot of good for many kids.
The problem with homosexual adoption is that it destroys any notion of gender identity and takes away the complementary roles that man and woman provide each other and their children. Children deserve to be raised by a man and a woman as God designed, after all, that is how they came into this world. Homosexual adoptions take away from these children vital knowledge of who they are as children of God since it renders their gender irrevelant.
Studies show that children thrive when under the care of “traditional” families regardless of situation, and those that push for homosexual adoption in spite of the evidence aren’t concerned about the children’s well-being, they are primarily concerned with their own best interests.

 

[BlestOne]

As a former foster mom, I can tell you that foster homes are supposed to be a temporary living solution until the natural parents can acquire the skills or services needed to raise their own child. I had kids I wanted to keep… because I thought their parents would never become a good or even a mediocre parent. The point is that just like natural families, there are good and bad foster families.

That being said, I didn’t have the best childhood either. When I was younger I blamed my dad for alot. As I grew older I have come to see that the problem was my mom not my dad. I still learned about how to be a parent or at times what not to do. One of my most vivid memories was meeting my bf’s parents at age 15. Up until that time, I thought all parents were basically the same as my parents. My mom and dad never showed affection for each other or us kids, I mean never! So I was sitting at my bf’s house waiting for his mom and dad to make it home from work so I could meet them. My bf said something that made no sense to me. He said, “When my mom and dad get home, just ignore them and walk around them if you need anything from the kitchen.” HUH??? When they got home, I learned what he meant. His mom and dad would say hello to the kids then go into the kitchen and engage in a passionate kiss before sitting down with the kids and ask the usual, “how was your day.” This was so foreign to me I was floored. That wasn’t the only shock. When my bf was leaving for college, his mom stood in front of him, grasping his hands and with tears in her eyes, told him she loved him! My parents were more likely to hit or yell at each other than to show love to each other. I never remember hearing “I love you” from my parents. So that day I learned that I didn’t have to be like my parents example of marriage, and later I learned I didn’t have to raise my future children the same as I was raised.

Would I have rather been raised by 2 moms or 2 dads? Never! Even with the dysfunctional family life, I still learned alot about male/female relationships, even if it was what not to do. I have come to love and appreciate my dad and the cross he bore, being married to mom. There were times I saw him praying with tears in his eyes, over something my mom had done. What an example of a faithful husband he was to put up with mom’s “problems” all those years!!! Dad’s temper was something to behold! He wasn’t saintly, but now as an adult, I see how much mom pushed his buttons just to get her way.

Today I have grown children. My boys end all their calls to me with “I love you” We actually like being together and doing things. We call on each other when we need help, and we can’t wait to see each other. My son left work to come take me to the hospital last week when I broke my leg. My other son comes to see me after school at my work just to say hi. My daughter comes up too when she gets home from school (she goes to a school 20 miles away). I drive my younger 2 up to help their oldest brother work (light and sound productions for school musicals, concerts, etc). We are a family because I learned from my parents what to do and what not to do by their example.