Lucifer TV Show for Children

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Can a child go to hell because they disown a parent who asks them to NOT watch the Lucifer TV show?

Isn’t it on the other parents who allow it? I’m so disgusted with it that I don’t even have a TV but there is nothing I can do…
 
Do you mean you asked your kid not to watch it and he found another place to watch it and watched it anyway?

How old is the kid?

Disobeying a reasonable order from your parents is a sin, but if that sent kids to hell, we’d almost all be there.
 
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Age is a huge factor here.

A child, say, under 12 may not understand the implications of disobedience and because another adult approves may seek out that adult, especially if they see that adult as an authority figure. This is why it is important for parents of young children to be “on the same page” of their children’s friends.

A teenager owes obedience to their parents and has a higher degree of culpability.

An adult 18+ does NOT owe obedience to their parents when it comes to media, especially when they are out of the house and grown. They can take their parents advice, but it is a gross misuse of parental authority, at that point, for a parent to forbid any sort of media and quite frankly, laughable.
 
Turning 18 does not mean a sin stops being a sin and mom or dad no longer have a say in what you watch. To think otherwise is to abandon the natural parent-child relationship. Watching Lucifer is not a good choice for anybody. Reading the comics is also a bad idea. Being “Mature” does not mean sin stops being sin. And I know some immature people in otherwise adult bodies. This whole “I’m mature and I can watch what I want” is a bad idea, especially if your idea of “entertainment” includes Lucifer. Definitely not for children.
 
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For Catholics, the idea that “I’m an adult and I can watch what I like” is false. Even if parents are not part of the process, watching sinful behavior acted out is a bad choice.
 
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Turning 18 does not mean a sin stops being a sin and mom or dad no longer have a say in what you watch. To think otherwise is to abandon the natural parent-child relationship. Watching Lucifer is not a good choice for anybody. Reading the comics is also a bad idea. Being “Mature” does not mean sin stops being sin. And I know some immature people in otherwise adult bodies. This whole “I’m mature and I can watch what I want” is a bad idea, especially if your idea of “entertainment” includes Lucifer. Definitely not for children.
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Being an adult DOES mean that children are not under the pain of sin BECAUSE a parent forbade it.

Something, most certainly, can still be a sin, but it’s a sin in its own right.

My mom thought facebook was sinful when it first came out because it was “based on an elitism” (ie only college students and graduates were allowed to get one). All my siblings and I joined (as it was 2005 and we were all in college). We all ignored her demand.

In 2006 Facebook opened to the public, by 2008, my mom had her own page.

But long story short, getting Facebook was NOT a sin, because it was NOT a sinful activity. It had no bearing whatsoever on our souls that she forbade it.
 
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Lucifer is the topic, not Facebook. So, parents are not to be respected after one becomes an adult? They were your age once. They get it. But don’t follow the crowd. Look at the show for what it is. Lucifer? Seriously?
 
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Lucifer is the topic, not Facebook. So, parents are not to be respected after one becomes an adult? They were your age once. They get it. But don’t follow the crowd. Look at the show for what it is. Lucifer? Seriously?
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It can be a sin by itself.

It is NOT a sin because a parent (of an adult) says so.

There are many worse things out there than this show—many.

It is interesting, in reading about the show, that the author, Niel Gaiman, is heavily influenced by CS Lewis. His works often play with the idea of good vs evil. The plot lines seem a whole heck of a lot more innocent than 90% of the television today, despite the name. I mean, given the vitriol of news programming and the morally depraved commercials your assertion could basically extend to all of television today.
 
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Here’s the thing. As Catholics, we need a guideline to measure against. Without that guideline, whatever is pervasive in media today and what our friends like, can replace that guideline, and encourage the totally false notion that as adults we are free of even thinking about sin. That’s how sinful characters and behaviors spread. No guideline, no discernment and, who cares? I work with writers. I have to know why something is sloppy, badly written, not engaging, etc. On a Catholic forum, I am obligated to say: we have to avoid sin. We have to discern what our entertainment choices are based on sound Christian principles. Lucifer, as presented on TV now, is so far removed from real literature, well… It’s a farce. And it’s not good in a spiritual sense.

Be-bop Jazz. I haven’t seen that term since seeing it in a 1950s magazine I picked up.
 
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As Catholics, we need a guideline to measure against. Without that guideline, whatever is pervasive in media today and what our friends like, can replace that guideline, and encourage the totally false notion that as adults we are free of even thinking about sin.
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I actually believe that a well-developed conscience can be a guideline. One must also take into account the age, background, and reason a person is reading a certain book or watching a certain show. I could probably enjoy Lucifer, a Neil Gaiman comic, as art, since I have liked some of Gaiman’s past work and find it insightful on subjects of good, evil, death, other aspects of the human condition, plus I have some interest in graphic novels in general. This is way different from someone decades younger than me who is watching “Lucifer” because they want to see the sexy parts.

The trouble with setting media guidelines is they tend to skew to the lowest common denominator, which is people who are immature or unduly influenced by some edgy material. I don’t really need or want a nanny for my viewing habits as an adult. If a show bothers me because it seems to be one long round of boring gratuitous sex or violence, I can find the off button on the remote myself. If it’s a show I personally get something intelligent or enjoyable from beyond the risqué bits, I don’t feel I should have to turn it off because some immature viewer out there is not ready for it.
 
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As Catholics, we need a guideline to measure against. Without that guideline, whatever is pervasive in media today and what our friends like, can replace that guideline, and encourage the totally false notion that as adults we are free of even thinking about sin.
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I actually believe that a well-developed conscience can be a guideline. One must also take into account the age, background, and reason a person is reading a certain book or watching a certain show. I could probably enjoy Lucifer, a Neil Gaiman comic, as art, since I have liked some of Gaiman’s past work and find it insightful on subjects of good, evil, death, other aspects of the human condition, plus I have some interest in graphic novels in general. This is way different from someone decades younger than me who is watching “Lucifer” because they want to see the sexy parts.

The trouble with setting media guidelines is they tend to skew to the lowest common denominator, which is people who are immature or unduly influenced by some edgy material. I don’t really need or want a nanny for my viewing habits as an adult. If a show bothers me because it seems to be one long round of boring gratuitous sex or violence, I can find the off button on the remote myself. If it’s a show I personally get something intelligent or enjoyable from beyond the risqué bits, I don’t feel I should have to turn it off because some immature viewer out there is not ready for it.
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Exactly.

My husband and I watch a youtuber who is–colorful–to say the least. We can handle that color because his show otherwise gives good information about the mechanics of things.

We watch it after tender ears have gone to bed and when my niece (whom we watch from time to time) is not around.

Discernment of media is a big part of being an adult. What may bothor one may do nothing for another.
 
I am bothered for girls who may find Fox’s selection of actors attractive also. Their hormones at certain ages can be raging and that shouldn’t be attractive.

The show is mostly a name alone and with a different name it probably wouldn’t have been so controversial. But, some airhead decided on that name. Glorification is for G_d, which puts me in an interesting place.

The US is always defending the Satanists and acts like Christianity is full of over-reach. “Don’t force your child to be baptised! That’s abuse! They want to watch Lucifer? I dare you to stop them, you vile scum!” (Police beating followed by civilian retribution or in a reverse order)

BUT NO, we aren’t ANYTHING LIKE THE ROMANS!
 
I’m seeing moral relativism here.

“Moral Relativism (or Ethical Relativism) is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances.”

“What may be good for you may not be good for me.” ‘Edgy’ I really dislike that meaningless word. I use offensive in all cases. Edgy is like military terminology: “We had 20 casualties.” No, you had 12 dead and 8 wounded." Nice sounding terms like “adult entertainment” should be changed to the truth: It’s porn.
 
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Yeah, I’ve noticed people see Moral Relativism or Cafeteria Catholicism every time I disagree with their view on something.

Seriously, the Church got rid of the Index of Forbidden Books precisely because they realized not everybody needed to be protected from everything. And mature people can usually appreciate Michelangelo’s works without getting fixated on the fact that the paintings and statues do not have clothes on.
 
Good update: I misunderstood, my little one told me some kids are watching it to spite their parents

I’m pretty relieved, hopefully this helped parents keep an eye on what’s out there nowadays…

Even if it’s fake and just uses the “name” for an alleged villain doing good in society, I just think it looks bad on us as a species. Writing the title of the thread made me feel almost sick as it is.

#parenting 💫
 
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