So it’s found nowhere in the bible and history is silent regarding an invisible church (comprised of many many self governing churches) - made up of all true" believers, at least prior to the 16th century reformation. Is that a fair assessment?
I agree. it is relavitism at best. it is all about what one beliefs instead of stating the Truth.
This is pretty much the story. THEN Lutheran leaders began walking away from even Luther’s teachings, so it’s an anything can happen world.
Yes.
That is your opinion, I believe that the Lutheran Church has the true presence in the Holy Eucharist otherwise I would not belong there. As for politicization, are you saying that there is non of that going on in the Roman Catholic Church? Take a look around, how many Catholic politicians follow the teachings of your Church on abortion and other things and still receive Holy Communion.This is pretty much the story. THEN Lutheran leaders began walking away from even Luther’s teachings, so it’s an anything can happen world.
Always has it startled me that when I visit a Protestant church, there’s always a library of tons of religious books by various authors. Why? Because there’s no unified voice of the church at any one time, but a lot of people putting forth a lot of views. Pick and choose what sounds reasonable to you. . . which would be FINE if we were all trained theologians!
Captain America is just a crime fighter; I have to rely on theologians to tell me what’s what. Just as they rely on my crime-fighting ability.
I grew up in both faiths, so I know the whole story. At present, I note many disaffected Lutherans due to the ongoing politicization in the denomination.
Worth noting is that the Catholic Church has the true presence in the Holy Eucharist: you can’t beat that for a good deal!
To sort of piggy back off another thread I have on these boards, why are there no claims of eucharistic miracles in the Lutheran churches? There are hundreds in the Catholic Church. This doesn’t mean that every single one is true; however, it is quite astounding how many documented claims exist. In fact, whenever there is any purported miracle (whether eucharistic in nature or Marian, such as Lourdes, France), it is always in the Catholic Church. I have never seen one piece of evidence of such a claim, or claims, in Lutheran churches. Why?
This is on their own accord, without the Church’s approval.As for politicization, are you saying that there is non of that going on in the Roman Catholic Church? Take a look around, how many Catholic politicians follow the teachings of your Church on abortion and other things and still receive Holy Communion.
and how many of these have been actually verified by the Roman Catholic Church?
Seems it would be overly contrived and a bit more difficult than other ways of showing God’s presence. Just sayin’My understanding of the purpose of Eucharistic miracles is to convince priests (or others) who are beginning to question their faith in His real presence in the Eucharist.
Just saying.
Jon
Interesting. Haven’t before run across a Lutheran making such a claim.That is your opinion, I believe that the Lutheran Church has the true presence in the Holy Eucharist otherwise I would not belong there. As for politicization, are you saying that there is non of that going on in the Roman Catholic Church? Take a look around, how many Catholic politicians follow the teachings of your Church on abortion and other things and still receive Holy Communion.
