Lying to Pollsters: The Catholic Church Wouldn't Approve of That, Correct?

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I can say that I have been polled a couple of times. And I usually do what I can to throw their results off.
I figure they are already going to say whatever they want anyway.
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To throw their results off?
The only way throw off their results is to give a false answer.
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I’ve done just that. It was more because this one phone number kept calling incessantly than political but i absolutely gave them responses that did not reflect my actual views when i finally answered one night.
The Catholic Church wouldn’t approve of someone doing this, right?
 
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I don’t think it does. Sounds like childish pique, to be honest. If you don’t want to participate, just say so and ask them to stop calling/block the number.
 
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I can say that I have been polled a couple of times. And I usually do what I can to throw their results off.
I figure they are already going to say whatever they want anyway.
It doesn’t “jive with Catholicity” at all.

Either tell the truth, or don’t participate. But don’t lie. Venial sin, to be sure, but Jesus had to suffer on the cross for venial sins, too.
 
I’m fine with it. I’m not remorseful for giving views that do not actually reflect my own. If you want to try to shame me for being a “bad catholic” then that’s fine too. It really does not bother me.
 
Polls are supposed to be anonymous.
They’re also low-stakes.
They’re also voluntary.

So I would say that we should be guided by the Eighth Commandment and speak truthfully, or refuse to answer the questions.

That being said, sometimes I have to answer mandatory survey questions at work, and I don’t always reveal my true feelings.
We’d had a bunch of new managers get hired who made all sorts of changes without consulting us and I didn’t feel safe to be straightforward at that point,
And although it was “anonymous”, the preliminary questions (department, shift, full/part time status) would have made it easy to figure out who the malcontents were).
So I gave all neutral answers.
 
Yeah I mean others are trying to compel a response. I think with lying there is an issue if what others have a right to know.

If a salesman shows up are you required to answer their questions so as to not be rude…I don’t think you are. They are leveraging a situation…you don’t have to be manipulated imho
 
Yeah I mean others are trying to compel a response. I think with lying there is an issue if what others have a right to know.

If a salesman shows up are you required to answer their questions so as to not be rude…I don’t think you are. They are leveraging a situation…you don’t have to be manipulated imho
A telephone pollster isn’t “compelling” you. You have the ability to politely say “I don’t want to participate, please don’t call me in the future. Thanks, bye.”
 
Well yeah sorry hould have clarified. I meant in the salesman example. Like a car salesman…so how many kids do up you have!

I agree in an poll you should just decline. Saying no thanks isn’t bad, I definitely wouldn’t go out
Of my way or give false answers though.
 
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I think starting a new thread to adjudicate the morality of very unimportant things someone else has done is uncharitable. Stay in your lane, mind your own business, focus on your own soul.

-Fr ACEGC
 
Lying is grave matter every time I hate that this easy part of the moral law is even being discussed by us Christians thousands of years in 😦
 
I think starting a new thread to adjudicate the morality of very unimportant things someone else has done is uncharitable. Stay in your lane, mind your own business, focus on your own soul.

-Fr ACEGC
Lying is unimportant?
 
I think what Fr. Is getting at is it’s important to focus on our own sins rather than the sins of others. The nuns when I was in school would say…you worry about you! Plenty to do!..was pretty good advice imho.
 
I don’t think I said or implied that it was. But I don’t think it’s spiritually healthy to publicly adjudicate someone else’s sins. Praise openly, correct privately.
 
Lying is grave matter every time I hate that this easy part of the moral law is even being discussed by us Christians thousands of years in
This is why I don’t like that word “grave” with reference to sin. Sin is either mortal or venial. No middle ground. Damned or not damned. Not all lies are mortally sinful. The lie being discussed here is a trivial matter. So are most lies in everyday life — “white lies”. Sinful, yes, better to die than to commit it, yes, wounds the Sacred Heart of Jesus, yes, merits expiation either in this life or the next (believe me, you don’t want to have to expiate any sins in the next life, it’s much easier over here!), yes.

But a mortal sin? No. That’s modern-day Jansenism. I see this tendency sometimes and I speak up against it every time.
 
Yes, the whole “grave but not mortal sin’ crud is like Claiming one is only ‘somewhat’ pregnant. “I’m not really pregnant pregnant because I didn’t have full knowledge or full consent dontcha know”.
 
I use grave to denote whenever something is intrinsically evil but I don’t know if the person did a mortal sin. If someone says a “white lie” knowing it is grave matter to lie and has full intent to do it, it is a mortal sin. I tend to use grave matter since I can never know if someone had full knowledge and will, so for me it is equivalent. There is no neutral zone that is true

I am bad at explaining so what I mean another way is: mortal sin takes knowledge, full will, and grave matter. If it lacks one it is venial. If it has grave matter it may be a mortal or venial sin. Because I don’t know if someone else has full will and knowledge, if it is an objectively (intrinsic) evil act, I will say it has grave matter, because it might still be a venial sin for them. This is the same distinction as objective and actual mortal sin, it is just another way of saying it. Because lying is always objectively sinful, but I don’t know if the poster who lied in OP did an actual mortal sin worthy of hell, I’ll just say lying is grave matter, which is the same as objective mortal sin (at the minimum they did this). I am not creating new categories
 
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I use grave to denote whenever something is intrinsically evil but I don’t know if the person did a mortal sin. If someone says a “white lie” knowing it is grave matter to lie and has full intent to do it, it is a mortal sin.
No.

While all lies are intrinsically evil, not all lies are mortally sinful, even if the person telling them is fully aware of their malice, and fully wants to tell them. Small lies, such as “white lies” or lying about a small matter, are only venial sins. I don’t advocate this — I don’t approach sin as though “I will avoid mortal sin at all cost, but venial sins, I won’t make as great an effort to avoid them” — but I will not say that all lies, for instance, how pretty Aunt Hortense’s new hat is even though you think it’s irredeemably ugly, are mortal sins. The Church does not say this, and I do not say this. Not all intrinsically evil things are mortal sins. Stealing trivial amounts of goods is not mortally sinful (not condoning, just stating). Everyday small lapses in charity (i.e., sins against the Fifth Commandment) are not mortally sinful. And so on.

I am very concerned that the recent trend (after Vatican II) to throw around the term “grave matter” is leading people to think that vast categories of sins, sins that do admit of parvity of matter, are all mortal sins. It is as though a whole new lexicon of mortal sins is being created, under the rubric of calling them “grave matter”. That’s the kind of “modern-day Jansenism” I resist.

No way the person who told lies about trivial matters in the OP committed a mortal sin.
 
A few white lies:
“Sorry I’m late, got tied up in traffic.”
“It’s so great to see you!”
“I’m doing fine, thanks for asking”
“Your speech was great!”
“I have read and agree to the above terms and conditions.”
 
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