Male virgin saints

[whatistrue]

You should be asking if Joseph was unchaste at all. For that to happen, we would have to declare him immaculately conceived like Mary.

How does that follow? I limited my use of chaste to the case where he was a widower to follow the way you had used it. I didn’t really want to get into the “virgin and chaste are not synonymous” thing because it seems so screamingly obvious to me.

 

[twf]

St Peter was married at one point. We know that. Yet Christ entrusted His bride the Church to him.
Catholics are free to accept the Eastern tradition that God entrusted the Theotokos and Christ to the guardianship of a widower.
Personally, I believe either tradition could be correct.

St Joseph, pray for us.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

@Anicette is French; the French word for Christianity is Christianisme . Might just be a case of “lost in translation”…heaven knows words don’t always come over correctly when I go from English to French.

I see. I do not recall ever having had occasion to say or read the word “Christianity” in French, and I am supposed to be halfway proficient in the language.

Je suis très désolé.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

I have no doubt that when the Eastern Orthodox church comes back in full communion with the Catholic Church, the discipline will be reinstated in the East for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven, as Jesus said.

When (or if) that day comes, I would like to see it be as easy, and as seamless, as it can possibly be, for the sake of hastening that unity, and such a mindset is in conformity with the mind of the Church (Ut Unum Sint et al). I don’t think it’s at all likely — or even desirable — that the East will defer to Roman sensibilities and customs any more than they absolutely, absolutely have to.

 

[Anicette]

Thanks you to tell me that the word “Christianism” is not the one to use. I don’t see the difference between “Christianism” and “Christianity”, so I will consult a dictionary.
@UpUpandAway resume well: I thank of the French word over the English word.

In French, “Christianisme” is simply the name of the religion, no more.

“Chrétienté” (which I uncorrectly traduce as Christianity) is the reference of a societal and political system where everything is wrapped in Christian religion, as it was in European Middle Age. There is no clear separation between civil and Church Powers, and all people (except a few communities) are baptised and supposed to be Catholics. The come back to the Chrétienté is a sweet fantasy for some Tarditionalist Catholics and the nightmare for all secularists.

 

[Anicette]

Sorry that I I have express myself badly and have offensed you. I do not call or think chastity is a taboo or old fashion. Just think, that around me, or in some cultural background, certainely not evreywhere around the world, this virtue is not valued in society, and often not openly lived, or speak by Christians.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Thanks you to tell me that the word “Christianism” is not the one to use. I don’t see the difference between “Christianism” and “Christianity”, so I will consult a dictionary.
@UpUpandAway resume well: I thank of the French word over the English word.

In French, “Christianisme” is simply the name of the religion, no more.

“Chrétienté” (which I uncorrectly traduce as Christianity) is the reference of a societal and political system where everything is wrapped in Christian religion, as it was in European Middle Age. There is no clear separation between civil and Church Powers, and all people (except a few communities) are baptised and supposed to be Catholics. The come back to the Chrétienté is a sweet fantasy for some Tarditionalist Catholics and the nightmare for all secularists.

Thanks. The French word “Chrétienté”, then, appears to translate more to the English word “Christendom”.

Your English is far better than my French.

 

[rightness]

St Peter was married at one point. We know that. Yet Christ entrusted His bride the Church to him.
Catholics are free to accept the Eastern tradition that God entrusted the Theotokos and Christ to the guardianship of a widower.
Personally, I believe either tradition could be correct.

St Joseph, pray for us.

I guess it’s just a matter of St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas and many other Church Fathers vs the East. The fact is that there are no known sources of St. Joseph’s virginity except those rejected apocryphal books that convinced some Church Fathers of its authenticity. Some of those false documents even called Joseph and old man past a hundred years old, even to 200 years old. It is through understanding the theological purposes of choosing Joseph as the foster father that Augustine and Aquinas knew that he was always a virgin. There is even belief that he was assumed into heaven. God choose the most virtuous man to be in His place, and it’s only fitting that the protodulia has the highest honor just below his spouse, the hyperdulia, Mary.

Yes, we all know Peter was a widower, but some claim Paul was married, but that’s not true because of 1 Corinthians 7:8, yet that belief persists like nonsense.

When (or if) that day comes, I would like to see it be as easy, and as seamless, as it can possibly be, for the sake of hastening that unity, and such a mindset is in conformity with the mind of the Church (Ut Unum Sint et al). I don’t think it’s at all likely — or even desirable — that the East will defer to Roman sensibilities and customs any more than they absolutely, absolutely have to.

I hope so too. Clerical celibacy is a beautiful thing. St. John Vianney would hear confessions 18 hours a day. He would even have the ability to pierce into the souls and find people’s sins, like St. Padre Pio. You can’t do that when you have to change diapers (because they’re busy changing spiritual diapers)

Sorry that I I have express myself badly and have offensed you. I do not call or think chastity is a taboo or old fashion. Just think, that around me, or in some cultural background, certainely not evreywhere around the world, this virtue is not valued in society, and often not openly lived, or speak by Christians.

It certainly is under attack by modern society, and at the same time, SEX IS A GREAT THING. St. John Paul II would give us instructions on how to have sex to have a happy sex life in one of his books. It’s a good thing, but it has to be controlled and ordered towards God. Right now, we don’t have that, so what you said seemed like a red flag to me. Sorry if it felt like I was attacking you. I just had to make sure you knew the truth of what the Church is currently fighting: a culture of death.