Mark of the Beast?

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My previously Protestant (Assemby of God, but now nearly finished with her RCIA catechesis) fiancee was “warned” for as much of her life as she can remember, that the “mark of the beast” would be the implantation of a microchip under the skin of people who would accept it. She and I are wondering if anyone knows the origin of this false information. Seems a lot of people are falling for it (especially in her former church) and with the advent of actual chips which are being implanted for identification purposes, I’m wondering if this was a self-fulfilled “prophecy”. Anyone?
 
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My previously Protestant (Assemby of God, but now nearly finished with her RCIA catechesis) fiancee was “warned” for as much of her life as she can remember, that the “mark of the beast” would be the implantation of a microchip under the skin of people who would accept it. She and I are wondering if anyone knows the origin of this false information. Seems a lot of people are falling for it (especially in her former church) and with the advent of actual chips which are being implanted for identification purposes, I’m wondering if this was a self-fulfilled “prophecy”. Anyone?
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The mark of the beast is sin. As far as a microchip for identification purposes is concerned, it might be self fulfilling for those who believe that somehow this is an identification with the beast, but they do not understand the historical meaning of what is written.

I truly groan whenever I hear that nonsense regarding what the “mark of the beast” will be. It will become self-fulfilling if people continue to want it to happen that way. Most of it is superstitious in my view.

Maggie
 
I suspect that it really is a real mark of some kind, though it’s exact nature is yet unknown.

The computer stuu and the chips is more a privacy issue to me than a religious one.
 
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I suspect that it really is a real mark of some kind, though it’s exact nature is yet unknown.

The computer stuu and the chips is more a privacy issue to me than a religious one.
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I agree on the point about being a privacy issue. I cannot see the relevance to religion.

Maggie
 
"…truly those who are engrossed in the affairs of life, and with the lust of this world, will be easily brought over to the accuser [Antichrist] then, and sealed by him. - Saint Hippolytus of Rome

**“Discourse on the End of the World and on Antichrist” **

roca.org/OA/153/153f.htm
 
Here’s something kinda related & kinda not. It’s amusing nevertheless.

When my daughter was 2 she fervently rubbed off the ashes on Ash Wednesday & said “I don’t want the mark” over & over. I don’t know where that came from; I guess it was just a child’s word for something she didn’t understand. We tell that story to family and friends as an amusing childhood story. My husband & I laugh & say we wil never tell that story to our Evangelical family and friends.
 
An important point to remember that this “mark of the beast” has to be applicable to EVERY age of man, not just modern times with all of our technical marvels. That is why I reject the notion of bioelectronic microchips and such. They would not apply to ages past. Although I do believe there is some type of physical manifestation of this “mark”, I really think that John was trying to identify people who put money over morality. It was used to differentiate the people of the world, versus the people of Christ. Too many people are getting caught up in Jenkins and Lahaye’s Left Behind rubbish. In that series, the “witnesses” are “sealed” with some time of mark that only other believers can see. I reject this metaphysical tomfoolery out of hand. Jesus’ convenant is a spiritual one with eternal consequences. The Holy Spirit isn’t going to roam the earth with a rubber stamper whacking people in the forehead so that “true believers” can pick eachother out of a crowd. That nonsense sounds great in a comic book, but is a bit immature for serious theology.
 
When I was a young person (and mostly A of G as well…) the mark of the beast was a tattoo of a bar code on your hand or forehead - OR it was an ATM card - OR it was (name here the new technology)… We were SSSOOOOO afraid, that movie of “A Thief in the Night” was enough to give me nightmares for years (if I remember, the forehead/hand tattoo was dots in that one…)
 
If you can’t see how privacy issues are related to religion (and freedom of practicing it free from persecution), then I wonder how you walk around and not get hit by a bus.

-Michael
 
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AServantofGod:
Here’s something kinda related & kinda not. It’s amusing nevertheless.

When my daughter was 2 she fervently rubbed off the ashes on Ash Wednesday & said “I don’t want the mark” over & over. I don’t know where that came from; I guess it was just a child’s word for something she didn’t understand. We tell that story to family and friends as an amusing childhood story. My husband & I laugh & say we wil never tell that story to our Evangelical family and friends.
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great story, this belongs on Madaglan’s 10 things never to say to an evengelical thread. “We are going to Church on Ash Wednesday to receive the mark of the beast, want to go with us?”
 
OK, but does anyone know what the actual origin of the theory is? Is there an individual who first espoused it?
 
Hello Slowburn,

Revelation of the beast is incorporating God’s Great Commandment into its symbolism. Obeying God’s commandments is how you love the Father and Jesus with all your heart with all your soul, with all your strength and with all your mind. The Israelites were commanded by God to write God’s ten commandments on their forehead and right hand.

NAB DEU 11:18
“Therefore, take these words of mine into your heart and soul. Bind them at your wrist as a sign, and let them be a pendant on your forehead. Teach them to your children, speaking of them at home and abroad, whether you are busy or at rest. And write them on the doorposts or your houses and on your gates, **so that, as long as the heavens are above the earth, you and your children may live on in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers he would give them.” ****“For if you are careful to observe all these commandments I enjoin on you, loving the LORD, your God, and following his ways exactly, and holding fast to him,…” **

A man’s strength in battle or at work is in his arm, wrist and hand. To bind God’s law on your wrist is to write it on your strength. When Christ returns it is His and the Father’s will that he will be looking for as the mark on the strength of your arm, on the forehead of your mind, in your heart, and on your soul.

**NAB REV 14:9 **

A third angel followed the others and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast or its image, or** accepts its mark on his forehead or hand**, he too will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger. He will be tormented in burning sulphur before the Lamb, and the smoke of their torment shall rise forever and ever. There shall be no relief day or night for those who worship the beast or its image or accept the mark of its name.” This is what sustains the holy ones, who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. I heard a voice from heaven say to me: “write this down: Happy now are the dead who die in the Lord!” The Spirit added, "Yes, they shall find rest from their labors, for their good works accompany them."
Will you write Jesus’ and the Father’s law on your heart, strength, mind and soul, or, will you allow Satan to put his mark on your heart, strength, mind and soul.DEU 6:8 DEU 11:18 EXO 13:9 EXO 13:16 REV 13:16 REV 14:1 REV 14:9 REV 20:4 REV 22:4

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
Fr Ambrose said:
"…truly those who are engrossed in the affairs of life, and with the lust of this world, will be easily brought over to the accuser [Antichrist]
then, and sealed by him. - Saint Hippolytus of Rome

**“Discourse on the End of the World and on Antichrist” **

roca.org/OA/153/153f.htm
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Thank you Fr. Ambrose for your (name removed by moderator)ut. This is precisely how I see the mark of the beast

MaggieOH
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
An important point to remember that this “mark of the beast” has to be applicable to EVERY age of man, not just modern times with all of our technical marvels. That is why I reject the notion of bioelectronic microchips and such. They would not apply to ages past. Although I do believe there is some type of physical manifestation of this “mark”, I really think that John was trying to identify people who put money over morality. It was used to differentiate the people of the world, versus the people of Christ. Too many people are getting caught up in Jenkins and Lahaye’s Left Behind rubbish. In that series, the “witnesses” are “sealed” with some time of mark that only other believers can see. I reject this metaphysical tomfoolery out of hand. Jesus’ convenant is a spiritual one with eternal consequences. The Holy Spirit isn’t going to roam the earth with a rubber stamper whacking people in the forehead so that “true believers” can pick eachother out of a crowd. That nonsense sounds great in a comic book, but is a bit immature for serious theology.
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Wow this is precisely how I feel on the subject of the Mark of the Beast. I agree that it is something that applies to each of the ages since Christ and the Apostles. Like Scott I totally reject the reference to electronic gadgetry. Scott has made an excellent point about the preference that is given to the desire to possess money over the desire to possess the grace of God.

Where already have the mark of the Holy Spirit, or at least we hope so, because we received that mark on the day that we were baptized.

Maggie
 
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