Marriage and divorces in protestantism

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Are divorces accepted in protestant denominations (I mean at least the main ones)? I’m asking because as far as I’m concerned protestants don’t seem to care too much about the words of Jesus condenming divorces.
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I think very few have resrtictions on marriage and divorce. I used to attent Church of God of prophecy and at the time they didn’t allow remarriage. But now they do. As a protestant I divorced and remarried without even blinking an eye. Now as a Catholic if I ever divorced I would remain faithful and stay single.
 
Are divorces accepted in protestant denominations (I mean at least the main ones)? I’m asking because as far as I’m concerned protestants don’t seem to care too much about the words of Jesus condenming divorces.
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God bless
I think it’s wonderful how so many Catholics like to begin their broadsides against Protestants with phrases like “they don’t seem to care too much about X”.

That’s just wonderful, you’re really bringing us all together when you say things like that. Keep up the good work.
 
Protestants are every bit as justified when they say things like “Obviously, Catholics don’t care about what the Bible has to say about the pervasive nature of sin when they promulgate doctrines like the immaculate conception of Mary”.

Here is an apologetic technique that is sure to win converts and bridge the gap!
 
It’s like anything in Christianity - if you don’t fully understand marriage and sacredness of fidelity and chastity, then you won’t have second thoughts about divorce and remarriage. I know I lacked that understanding while going thought my divorce. It was just a process to me. Like tealblue said, after understanding the teachings of marriage through the Church, looking back at my behaviors, I even scandalized myself! :eek:

With God’s grace, I was able to obtain forgiveness and a nullity of marriage through the diocese. I intend to remain chaste in my marital state and hope that my intentions and follow-though can please God.
 
It’s like anything in Christianity - if you don’t fully understand marriage and sacredness of fidelity and chastity, then you won’t have second thoughts about divorce and remarriage. I know I lacked that understanding while going thought my divorce. It was just a process to me. Like tealblue said, after understanding the teachings of marriage through the Church, looking back at my behaviors, I even scandalized myself! :eek:

With God’s grace, I was able to obtain forgiveness and a nullity of marriage through the diocese. I intend to remain chaste in my marital state and hope that my intentions and follow-though can please God.
You’re right. Protestantism seems to loose a lot of the consepts of sacredness and therefore many things are taken for granted.
 
You’re right. Protestantism seems to loose a lot of the consepts of sacredness and therefore many things are taken for granted.
I’m going to agree with this assessment to a point. The Lutheran standard for a sacrament has been instituted by Christ along with elements, ie. Baptism (water and the word), and the Eucharist. Confession, marriage, etc. are considered Holy Rites.
This downgrading (for lack of a better term) in a phycological sense has rendered these very important things “not as important” in some minds.

Jon
 
I’m going to agree with this assessment to a point. The Lutheran standard for a sacrament has been instituted by Christ along with elements, ie. Baptism (water and the word), and the Eucharist. Confession, marriage, etc. are considered Holy Rites.
This downgrading (for lack of a better term) in a phycological sense has rendered these very important things “not as important” in some minds.

Jon
i wasn’t thinking of the higher Protestant churches like traditional Anglicanism or Lutheranism. Good point.
 
It’s interesting that this is thrown at Protestants. When I was growing up, Divorce and Remarriage was NOT acceptable (various Presbyterians, Pentacostals, Baptists, and Nazarenes). However, I’ve known alot of Divorced and Remarried Catholics and usually get a more liberal response on the subject.
 
Protestants are every bit as justified when they say things like “Obviously, Catholics don’t care about what the Bible has to say about the pervasive nature of sin when they promulgate doctrines like the immaculate conception of Mary”.

Here is an apologetic technique that is sure to win converts and bridge the gap!
You know, I was just thinking along these same lines.

I found an interesting explanation here:

biblicalfoundations.org/?p=154

In a nutshell, though, it is a different interpretation of scripture. In the non-Catholic case, this passage is interpreted in light of other teachings on the subject in both the OT and NT and not on this single sentence/instance. It is interesting to me how Catholics point this out as if there are not instances in the NT that seem very clear cut and unambiguous, like the one about Jesus’s brothers, which the RC does not take at their literal, stand alone interpretation yet they have no trouble pointing out this same issue with non-Catholics as if they’ve never done the same thing - and using it as an “example” of some sort of irreverency on the part on non-Catholics. I’ve been both a Prot and a Cath and find this type of insinuation insulting.

Note: this is just one section presenting one side on an ongoing debate. Links and comments are on the site for those interesting in doing more reading on this issue.
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Starting with Instone-Brewer’s article (which summarizes several of his much larger works on the subject), for the sake of those unfamiliar with Instone-Brewer’s position, I will first offer a brief summary of his argument and then move immediately to a critique. Instone-Brewer looks at the first-century positions on divorce and remarriage held by the schools of Hillel and Shammai in order to understand the background for Jesus’ pronouncement in Matt 19:9 that divorce is not permitted “except for porneia.” He notes that both views were predicated on a certain interpretation of Deut 24:1. The Hillelites interpreted the phrase in this passage allowing divorce for “a thing of nakedness” or “a cause of immorality” to indicate that divorce was permitted for adultery (“nakedness,” “immorality”) as well as for any other “cause” or “thing.” This, then, is behind the Pharisees’ question in Matt 19:3: “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” In essence, they asked Jesus whether or not he agreed with Hillel’s interpretation of Deut 24:1. The school of Shammai, on the other hand, interpreted “a cause of immorality” as one single phrase referring to adultery, taking a much more restrictive position on the legitimacy of divorce. In reply to the Pharisees’ question, Jesus gave a resounding “no.” He did not agree that divorce was legitimate “for any and every reason,” as Hillel did. Those who divorced their wife for any reason other than porneia and remarried committed adultery. According to Instone-Brewer, Jesus thus did not reject the Old Testament itself at this point but merely a faulty interpretation of it, defending the proper understanding of Deut 24:1 as allowing divorce for adultery only.

As far as I’m concerned (though not Piper, see below), I say, so far so good. (I do not agree with Piper’s criticism of Instone-Brewer’s use of the Jewish background in this case. Using information on the first-century schools of Hillel and Shammai and their respective views on divorce is a staple of evangelical interpretation of Matthew 19, and rightly so, since the occasion was the Pharisees’ question in Matt 19:3, which clearly reflect their own first-century Jewish context.)

At this point, however, Instone-Brewer proceeds to make an argument from silence. He says that Jesus did not only defend adultery as a grounds of divorce per Deut 24:1, he also “didn’t reject the other ground for divorce in the Old Testament,” divorce for neglect, based on Exod 21:10–11. Instone-Brewer’s logic here eludes me. He seems to be saying that unless Jesus explicitly stated that divorce was not allowed in cases of neglect, we must assume he allowed for it (a classic argument from silence). This logic seems less than compelling to me, however, just as arguments from silence often tend to be rather precarious. How did Instone-Brewer get from an exception (however understood) that Jesus explicitly made to an exception he supposedly implied? (I realize Instone-Brewer says that Jesus did not have to make this explicit, since it was universally believed, but I would still like to see demonstration of a more direct connection with New Testament teaching here.) In terms of contextual exegesis, Jesus was simply addressing a question posed to him (Matt 19:3; see above); hence it seems that Exod 21:10–11 does not enter in to the discussion at Matt 19:9 at all as far as I can see. At this point, then, Instone-Brewer does seem to move from biblical exegesis to Jewish background, and does not have clear scriptural support (as Piper alleges more globally).

In his response to Instone-Brewer’s piece, then, John Piper states at the outset that in his view “the implication of this article is that every marriage I am aware of could already have legitimately ended in divorce.” (As will be seen below, I share this concern, though I do not agree that this requires the “betrothal view,” essentially a “no divorce under any circumstances” position, as Piper seems to imply.) Piper first turns to Instone-Brewer’s reasoning from Exod 21:10–11, correctly (in my view) identifying this as an argument from silence and questioning several other aspects of Instone-Brewer’s interpretation of this passage. Next, Piper turns to Instone-Brewer’s handling of the exception clause in Matt 19:9 in relation to Deut 24:1. Piper contends that Jesus disagreed with Deut 24:1 rather than merely clarifying the meaning of the passage (as Instone-Brewer contends), citing Mark 10:4–9. Instead, Jesus went all the way back to the beginning and reiterated God’s perfect plan for marriage as a lifelong union between one man and one woman. I agree with Piper that this is what Jesus does in Matthew 19, except for the one exception Jesus explicitly states in Matt 19:9 (a crucial point), which Piper leaves aside initially.

But this is the exact point that is debated. I certainly agree that Jesus upheld and reaffirmed God’s original intention for marriage as a permanent, lifelong union, but the crux interpretum here is what is meant by “except for porneia” in Matt 19:9. I contend that in this case (adultery/sexual immorality), Jesus allowed an exception. Piper agrees that there is an exception, but he defines porneia as referring exclusively to breaking an engagement, something for which he has in my view insufficient exegetical and lexical support (see Chapter in God, Marriage & Family). This is not the place to critique Piper’s version of the “betrothal view”; I have done so at length elsewhere, and maintain that what I have said in God, Marriage & Family is the most plausible understanding of the “exception clause” despite Piper’s response in What Jesus Demands from the World (remember that the “betrothal view” is held by a minority and that understanding porneia more broadly in Matt 19:9 has wide support among conservative evangelical commentators). As several individuals commenting at Justin Taylor’s blog have rightly pointed out, Piper’s reading of porneia in Matt 19:9 as exclusively referring to breaking an engagement does not constitute the most natural reading of the word in this passage but rather seems contrived, perhaps reflecting an effort to protect the notion of the indissolubility of marriage under all circumstances (though I am aware that Piper believes his reading is the best way to exegete the passage).

Thus I agree with Piper’s criticism of Instone-Brewer’s treatment of Exod 21:10–11 yet disagree with his criticism of Instone-Brewer’s handling of Matt 19:9 and Deut 24:1. Here, then, is the important point: Piper’s concern that Instone-Brewer “tragically widens the grounds of legitimate divorce” largely pertains to Instone-Brewer’s inclusion of spousal neglect as a legitimate grounds of divorce on the basis of Exod 21:10–11, which I also reject, while it does not equally apply to the understanding of the exception clause as allowing divorce in cases of adultery. The latter is an exception made in continuity with the Old Testament (where adultery was punishable by stoning), and Jesus does not mandate divorce in the case of adultery but merely allows for it. Moreover, adultery is the sole exception made by Jesus (plus abandonment by Paul, 1 Cor 7:15-16) and can be clearly delineated so that it does not amount to opening the floodgates to indiscriminate divorce as Piper fears.

To the contrary, I would ask us to consider whether elevating the scriptural ideal (with Jesus as the bridegroom “who will never divorce his wife and take another,” to quote Piper, citing Eph 5:25) without allowing divorce even in cases of spousal adultery may be going beyond Scripture and thus is pastorally doubtful. I continue to maintain, therefore, that affirming a high view of marriage as Jesus did while allowing exceptions for divorce in cases of adultery and abandonment remains the option that is exegetically most defensible and pastorally most sensible.*
 
Are divorces accepted in protestant denominations (I mean at least the main ones)? I’m asking because as far as I’m concerned protestants don’t seem to care too much about the words of Jesus condenming divorces.
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God bless
I see a similar refrain on this board fairly often and it frustrates me. I admit the doctrine of the Catholic Church on divorce has remained consistent (and more biblically based than many Protestant denominations), based on the practice of many Catholics, I don’t think Catholics should be throwing stones.

While the Church many not approve divorce and remarriage (and setting aside the issue of annulments), its my experience as a family law attorney that individual Catholics tend to get divorced at rates comparable to Protestants.

When I saw this post, I googled this issue and this survey popped up:

*Divorce rates by religious affiliation & attendance. General Social Survey, 2000, 2002, 2004 (N= 5,963)

58% Non-active Black Protestants
54% Non-active Evangelicals
51% No religious beliefs (e.g., atheists, agnostics)
48% Non-active other religions
48% All non-Christians
47% Active Black Protestants
42% All non-Christian religions
42% Non-active Mainline Protestants
41% All Christians
41% Non-active Catholics
39% Jewish
38% Active other religions
34% Active Evangelicals
32% Active Mainline Protestants
23% Active Catholics

Data from 1985 – 1999 show nearly identically religion-divorce patterns with an across-the-board increase in divorce rates. For these data.

Technical notes
The coding of the religious variable was taken from Steensland et al. (2000). Click here for full citation and description of coding.

“Active” was defined as attending church services about once a week or more often.

The GSS has various weighting variables for household composition and race oversampling. For simplicity sake, I have analyzed unweighted data, but others use weighted data.

Credits
I thank Christine Zozula for very-able research assistance. These analyses were informed by the work and advice of W. Bradford Wilcox, a sociologist at the University of Virginia who is an expert in this area. Thank you!*
 
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