Marriage and Parenthood equals martyrdom according to my priest

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According to my priest marriage and parenthood is a life of martyrdom. He said that people think that priests have a lonely life but that after being a priest all these years and counseling married couples and seeing their travails, he’s convinced that it’s a life of martrydom. I’m inclined to agree. What makes us want to undertake this life of suffering? He says that being a priest is a great life!
 
We don’t choose our vocation, God gives it to us! It’s the way He prepares us for Heaven. Which Saint didn’t have suffering in his or her life? 🙂
 
But a life of martyrdom can lead to sanctity, and thus, heaven!

That’s what it’s all about. (Sometimes it really is just the Hokey Pokey, though!😛 )

Dying to self = living in Christ. 👍
 
According to my priest marriage and parenthood is a life of martyrdom. He said that people think that priests have a lonely life but that after being a priest all these years and counseling married couples and seeing their travails, he’s convinced that it’s a life of martrydom. I’m inclined to agree. What makes us want to undertake this life of suffering? He says that being a priest is a great life!
Well, perhaps there is some martyrdom in every life–at least every life well lived, since martyrdom means dying to self. But then, maybe he’s only seen the really troubled marriages, not the great ones!
 
Well, perhaps there is some martyrdom in every life–at least every life well lived, since martyrdom means dying to self. But then, maybe he’s only seen the really troubled marriages, not the great ones!
That was what I was going to mention… it seems like this priest’s only exposure into true family relationships is when he’s counseling troubled marriages… :rolleyes:
Yes, dying to self is living for Christ, but it doesn’t always have to be painful.
 
Yes, dying to self is living for Christ, but it doesn’t always have to be painful.
Exactly! Sometimes it is truly an exquisite JOY! (Besides, is a martyr really a martyr if s/he isn’t willing to die?)😛
 
I think my priest views martrydom a noble thing to offer to God. He told me that he feels sorry for the young people who he marries because they don’t know what a martrydom they are getting into.

People are physically attracted and ruled by their sexual instincts. It’s such a strong need to mate and have children that we are slaves to our desires and martyr ourselves on the altar of the sacrament of marriage. St Paul advised us that we are better to stay unmarried, didn’t he. He was probably trying to protect people from the misery that marriage entails. He also advised widows not to remarry if they could help it. Smart advise, St Paul!
 
But marriage offers such great joys too! We grow as people, in God, and in love through marriage and parenting. Too many (certainly, not all) people who never marry or who marry but choose not to have children are closed and undeveloped emotionally. Marriage and parenting forces us to give of ourselves and to let go of the selfishness. And through that giving selflessly we know real love.
 
I think my priest views martrydom a noble thing to offer to God. He told me that he feels sorry for the young people who he marries because they don’t know what a martrydom they are getting into.

Um, I knew how hard it would be before I got married, as a child I saw my parents get divorced and remarry more than once, and I still got married. It is very sad that your priest thinks this about people getting married; marriage is a great blessing that teaches us to mirror the relationship that Christ has with the church. If a couple is not aware of the sacrifice that it takes to be married, then why are they being allowed to marry?

People are physically attracted and ruled by their sexual instincts.

Yes, but hopefully the Church is discerning if people are marrying for this reason, and telling them they are not ready to be married. That’s what the test you take during marriage prep is for…

It’s such a strong need to mate and have children that we are slaves to our desires and martyr ourselves on the altar of the sacrament of marriage.

Doesn’t the Church teach that the family is the basic unit of society, “The domestic church”, that children are blessings and gifts from God, and that we have been commanded to be fruitful and multiply? Who wouldn’t want to marry, if they feel called by God, to follow his commands and his design for human relationships? I don’t think it is really just about biological urges…

St Paul advised us that we are better to stay unmarried, didn’t he. He was probably trying to protect people from the misery that marriage entails. He also advised widows not to remarry if they could help it. Smart advise, St Paul!

Marriage can be good and bad; that is part of the marriage vow: “For better or for worse.” St. Paulo believed that Jesus was coming in his lifetime, and that the world would end soon, so he advised people not to marry. But marriage offers so many potential blessings to the couple, their children, and society at large; it is not misery in many cases.
 
Ha ha, that’s pretty funny to say that! I think it depends on who you’re married to. My wife makes my life better!
 
I think my priest views martrydom a noble thing to offer to God. He told me that he feels sorry for the young people who he marries because they don’t know what a martrydom they are getting into.

People are physically attracted and ruled by their sexual instincts. It’s such a strong need to mate and have children that we are slaves to our desires and martyr ourselves on the altar of the sacrament of marriage. St Paul advised us that we are better to stay unmarried, didn’t he. He was probably trying to protect people from the misery that marriage entails. He also advised widows not to remarry if they could help it. Smart advise, St Paul!
Wow… you sound a little disgruntled about marriage!
If you really think "people are physically attracted and ruled by their sexual instincts… and a strong need to mate and have children… ", then you probably need to address some deeper issues before discussing marriage with anyone! :rolleyes:
 
yeah, I’d really like to “martyr” my husband sometimes.

just kidding… or am I?😉
 
A few passages from the old rite of marriage sum up pretty well the uncertainty,

This union then is most serious, because it will bind you together for life in a relationship so close and so intimate that it will profoundly influence your whole future. That future, with its hopes and disappointments, its successes and its failures, its pleasures and its pains, its joys and its sorrows, is hidden from your eyes. You know that these elements are mingled in every life and are to be expected in your own. And so, not knowing what is before you, you take each other for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death.
As well as the joy:
No greater blessing can come to your married life than pure conjugal love, loyal and true to the end. May then, this love with which you join your hands and hearts today never fail, but grow deeper and stronger as the years go on. And if true love and the unselfish spirit of perfect sacrifice guide your every action, you can expect the greatest measure of earthly happiness that may be allotted to man in this vale of tears. The rest is in the hands of God. Nor will God be wanting to your needs; he will pledge you the life-long support of his grace in the holy sacrament you are now going to receive.

This little exhortation or instruction used to be read to the parties by the priest just before the exchange of vows. It went through a few minor revisions over the years. Perhaps it should be revived. On the other hand, a 50% divorce rate would seem to make a mockery of this little exhortation.

I found a copy of it here
 
A few passages from the old rite of marriage sum up pretty well the uncertainty,

This union then is most serious, because it will bind you together for life in a relationship so close and so intimate that it will profoundly influence your whole future. That future, with its hopes and disappointments, its successes and its failures, its pleasures and its pains, its joys and its sorrows, is hidden from your eyes. You know that these elements are mingled in every life and are to be expected in your own. And so, not knowing what is before you, you take each other for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death.
As well as the joy:
No greater blessing can come to your married life than pure conjugal love, loyal and true to the end. May then, this love with which you join your hands and hearts today never fail, but grow deeper and stronger as the years go on. And if true love and the unselfish spirit of perfect sacrifice guide your every action, you can expect the greatest measure of earthly happiness that may be allotted to man in this vale of tears. The rest is in the hands of God. Nor will God be wanting to your needs; he will pledge you the life-long support of his grace in the holy sacrament you are now going to receive.

This little exhortation or instruction used to be read to the parties by the priest just before the exchange of vows. It went through a few minor revisions over the years. Perhaps it should be revived. On the other hand, a 50% divorce rate would seem to make a mockery of this little exhortation.

I found a copy of it here
Thank you for posting this…I’m going to print it off and share it with my husband.
 
Wow… you sound a little disgruntled about marriage!
If you really think "people are physically attracted and ruled by their sexual instincts… and a strong need to mate and have children… ", then you probably need to address some deeper issues before discussing marriage with anyone! :rolleyes:
Hi, I don’t think that’s a very nice response to roll your eyes like that. Why don’t you try and refrain from doing that from now on.

There’s no doubt that our sexual instincts are a major drive in our lives that motivate us for better or worse. I don’t think making that statement means that I need therapy, as you seem to insinuate here.
 
Hi, I don’t think that’s a very nice response to roll your eyes like that. Why don’t you try and refrain from doing that from now on.

There’s no doubt that our sexual instincts are a major drive in our lives that motivate us for better or worse. I don’t think making that statement means that I need therapy, as you seem to insinuate here.
Okay, I apologize. I did not mean to insinuate that.

But I do believe your statement is based on a very naive view of the sacrament of marriage. I mean… let’s read your post again…
According to my priest marriage and parenthood is a life of martyrdom. He said that people think that priests have a lonely life but that after being a priest all these years and counseling married couples and seeing their travails, he’s convinced that it’s a life of martrydom. I’m inclined to agree. What makes us want to undertake this life of suffering? He says that being a priest is a great life!
Okay,
  1. “according to your priest” who isn’t married, BTW… he’s only dealt with counseling troubled marriages. Sounds like he is happy as a priest… that’s wonderful! But he most likely didn’t go into the priesthood based on a disdain for married life.
  2. “life of suffering” isn’t the case for strong holy marriages.
I couldn’t imagine greater happiness than I’ve experienced in marriage!.. 😃
 
yeah, I’d really like to “martyr” my husband sometimes.

just kidding… or am I?😉
Well, after his wife of many years (Mary Livingstone) had died, Jack Benny was asked whether, during his long marriage (noted to be unusual in show biz), he, or his wife, had ever considered divorce. Without hesitation he replied that they honestly never had. Murder, yes, but never divorce.

Hyperbolic, I suspect, but there certainly is some dying to one’s self involved in marriaqge – if one is serious about it and is committed to building it. And calling that a species of martyrdom is not stretching the point a whole lot.

Certainly, the image of martyrdom has much more to contribute to an understanding of the nature of marriage than the modern pop-psychology nonsense about mutual self-fulfilment. Marriage is about mutualism, not symbiosis.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
Gerry Hunter, I think your post reflects what my thinking was. I thinking martyrdom is more accurate than the current pop romantic notions.

Emily in Florida, I accept your apology, thank you. I’m not sure if I’m naive, since I have vast experience in marriage and quite a large family, and that was one thing I was discussing with the priest. My marital experiences are not anything extraordinarly horrible, and my children are probably above average. Yet marriage and children are huge emotional and physical burdens to bear.
 
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