Marriage

[anjoh66]

Hi!

1. If a man converted to Islam and married a muslim woman and later they divorced and he left Islam and became Catholic, can he then marry a Catholic woman in the church?

His first wife became forbidden for him according to muslim faith since he left Islam and is such a marriage considered a marriage by the church?

1. If someone marry civil and later divorce and then wanna marry someone else by the church, is that civil marriage binding so he/she cant marry by the church?

 

[anjoh66]

Hi!

1. If a man converted to Islam and married a muslim woman and later they divorced and he left Islam and became Catholic, can he then marry a Catholic woman in the church?(He was baptised after entering the RCC)

His first wife became forbidden for him according to muslim faith since he left Islam and is such a marriage(the muslim one, according to muslim traditions) considered a marriage by the church?

1. If someone marry civil and later divorce and then wanna marry someone else by the church, is that civil marriage binding so he/she cant marry by the church?

 

[ljprevo]

Hi!

1. If a man converted to Islam and married a muslim woman and later they divorced and he left Islam and became Catholic, can he then marry a Catholic woman in the church?

His first wife became forbidden for him according to muslim faith since he left Islam and is such a marriage considered a marriage by the church?

1. If someone marry civil and later divorce and then wanna marry someone else by the church, is that civil marriage binding so he/she cant marry by the church?

They still need to go through the annulment process regardless of faiths, type of marriage, etc.

Yes all marriages are binding until a degree of nulity, while what you say in both cases, these types would get a fairly quick annulment, however the process still has to be followed.

 

[LilyM]

They still need to go through the annulment process regardless of faiths, type of marriage, etc.

Yes all marriages are binding until a degree of nulity, while what you say in both cases, these types would get a fairly quick annulment, however the process still has to be followed.

That’s because what you technically have is not an annulment, but instead an investigation of the validity of marriage. Which can end in a decree of nullity or in a finding that the marriage is valid and sacramental.

And all marriages pretty much are presumed to be valid until shown otherwise.

Having said that, with the Muslim concept of marriage being so different from the Christian (it’s not restricted to one man and one woman forsaking all others. for example) I don’t think it would be difficult to get an annulment.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Hi!

1. If a man converted to Islam and married a muslim woman and later they divorced and he left Islam and became Catholic, can he then marry a Catholic woman in the church?

His first wife became forbidden for him according to muslim faith since he left Islam and is such a marriage considered a marriage by the church?

Maybe.

1. If someone marry civil and later divorce and then wanna marry someone else by the church, is that civil marriage binding so he/she cant marry by the church?

Maybe.

tee

 

[puzzleannie]

Hi!

1. If a man converted to Islam and married a muslim woman and later they divorced and he left Islam and became Catholic, can he then marry a Catholic woman in the church?
2. If someone marry civil and later divorce and then wanna marry someone else by the church, is that civil marriage binding so he/she cant marry by the church?

you did not provide key info, is the person in 1 or 2 a baptized Catholic?

The Catholic Church recognizes as valid marriages between non-Catholics provided the parties are otherwise free to marry (no previous marriage, no incest and so forth). If both parties in 1 are Muslim, their marriage is presumed valid until proven otherwise. The man would have to seek an annulment if he later wishes to marry a Catholic, and their is no reason to believe he would get it unless some condition that existed at the time of the marriage made it invalid.

In no 2, if the parties were non-Catholic when they contracted their previous marriages, those marriages are considered valid until proven otherwise, so neither is free to marry a Catholic unless they first obtain an annulment. If either party was Catholic at the time of the first marriage, their marriage is invalid due to lack of form.

 

[anjoh66]

you did not provide key info, is the person in 1 or 2 a baptized Catholic?

The Catholic Church recognizes as valid marriages between non-Catholics provided the parties are otherwise free to marry (no previous marriage, no incest and so forth). If both parties in 1 are Muslim, their marriage is presumed valid until proven otherwise. The man would have to seek an annulment if he later wishes to marry a Catholic, and their is no reason to believe he would get it unless some condition that existed at the time of the marriage made it invalid.

In no 2, if the parties were non-Catholic when they contracted their previous marriages, those marriages are considered valid until proven otherwise, so neither is free to marry a Catholic unless they first obtain an annulment. If either party was Catholic at the time of the first marriage, their marriage is invalid due to lack of form.

He was not baptized at the time of the marriage, later he left islam
and became Catholic so that means that according to muslim beliefs his former wife will be forbidden for him since he is no longer a muslim and a muslim woman can only be married to a muslim man so according to islam their marriage is annulled, what is the churches point of view?

 

[Seatuck]

This should have been discussed when this man converted. There is a possiblilty of this marriage being able to be dissolved by “favor of the faith”. He should go talk to his priest about this.

Here is a brief description.

lcdiocese.org/Annulments/favor.htm

 

[ljprevo]

Right, however if a marriage has been entered into, no matter what kind, circumstance, etc. The church has to investigate the marriage and one MUST have an annulment before they can marry again in the Catholic Church.

 

[1ke]

Hi!

1. If a man converted to Islam and married a muslim woman and later they divorced and he left Islam and became Catholic, can he then marry a Catholic woman in the church?(He was baptised after entering the RCC)

His first wife became forbidden for him according to muslim faith since he left Islam and is such a marriage(the muslim one, according to muslim traditions) considered a marriage by the church?

Any prior marriage is considered valid by the Church until shown otherwise. In order to marry in the Catholic Church he would have to be declared free to marry. This would be either through the nullity process, or since neither he nor his spouse were baptized at the time he may also qualify for the Pauline Privilege.

The bottom line is that this person would need to speak to their priest, start the investigation into their prior marriage, and then follow their priets’s instructions on the matter. If and when they are declared free to marry, then they can start thinking about marrying in the Catholic Church.

1. If someone marry civil and later divorce and then wanna marry someone else by the church, is that civil marriage binding so he/she cant marry by the church?

Again, every prior marriage is presumed valid until proven otherwise. The Church would need to investigate this marriage. Every situation is unique. The first step is to start the process by talking to a priest.

 

[Seatuck]

Right, however if a marriage has been entered into, no matter what kind, circumstance, etc. The church has to investigate the marriage and one MUST have an annulment before they can marry again in the Catholic Church.

No, the Petrine Privlege is in lieu of an annulment.

 

[anjoh66]

It seems to me like in this case it should acctually be the pauline privilege that applies for the converted Catholic since a continuation of the marriage is impossible for the muslim former wife as he become forbidden for her since Islam does not allow a muslim woman to remain married with a christian.

So even if they divorced before he became catholic i think the church must rule that there is no marriage and it was dissolved when he was baptized, am i right?

 

[1ke]

It seems to me like in this case it should acctually be the pauline privilege that applies for the converted Catholic since a continuation of the marriage is impossible for the muslim former wife as he become forbidden for her since Islam does not allow a muslim woman to remain married with a christian.

So even if they divorced before he became catholic i think the church must rule that there is no marriage and it was dissolved when he was baptized, am i right?

There is no way for you to know the answer to your questions. Everything here is mere speculation.

The marriage would have to be submitted for investigation. Either the nullity process or the Pauline Privilege could be pursued. That is all that can be said here. There is no way to say whether or not a decree of nullity or a disolution of the bond would be granted. All we can say is that one or the other is *needed *to pursue another marriage.

Step 1: Contact your priest

 

[puzzleannie]

He was not baptized at the time of the marriage, later he left islam
and became Catholic so that means that according to muslim beliefs his former wife will be forbidden for him since he is no longer a muslim and a muslim woman can only be married to a muslim man so according to islam their marriage is annulled, what is the churches point of view?

during the annulment investigation the rules pertaining to marriage in his former religion will be a factor, but the CAtholic position is that no power on earth can dissolve a valid marriage, and the marriage is presumed valid until proven otherwise. It is a special case, so generalizations that may be true about other cases may not hold true in this case. The gentleman needs to see has pastor ASAP and get info that relates to his personal situation. Speculation here is useless.

 

[Nuance]

Right, however if a marriage has been entered into, no matter what kind, circumstance, etc. The church has to investigate the marriage and one MUST have an annulment before they can marry again in the Catholic Church.

??? This is true for the case of a civil marriage too? If a person enters into a civil marriage with their partner with the intention of later having a sacramental marriage, they have to have the civil marriage annulled before doing the sacramental marriage? That makes no sense.

 

[1ke]

??? This is true for the case of a civil marriage too? If a person enters into a civil marriage with their partner with the intention of later having a sacramental marriage, they have to have the civil marriage annulled before doing the sacramental marriage? That makes no sense.

You are confusing two different scenarios.

The question asked by the OP– to which we have responded-- is one of wanting to marry *another *person after having been married to and divorced from someone else.

The question **you **are asking regards two people married invalidly who want to validate it. There is a process for doing so that does not involved the nullity process-- presuming these people in question have no prior bonds.

 

[1ke]

but the CAtholic position is that no power on earth can dissolve a valid marriage, and the marriage is presumed valid until proven otherwise.

A valid, **natural **marriage can be dissolved under the Petrine or Pauline Privilege. It is not a decree of nullity. It is a dissolution of the bond.

A valid, **sacramental **marriage can never be dissolved.

 

[ljprevo]

Yes however marriage would still need to be disolved and reviewed by a tribunal.

 

[tee_eff_em]

A valid, **natural **marriage can be dissolved under the Petrine or Pauline Privilege. It is not a decree of nullity. It is a dissolution of the bond.

A valid, **sacramental **marriage can never be dissolved.

…once it’s been consummated…

tee