Married outside the church

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I am just asking folks to consider the possiblity that some of the foundation of what we have been taught for hundreds of years has been misrepresented to us in some areas by the Catholics who developed these rules.
I have considered and reconsidered the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church many times over. And I have come to the conclusion that the Church does have authority, was instituted by Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit. The “rules” are there to guide me to heaven, and I thank God for those guidelines because I need all the help I can get.
 
Don’t worry about costs. Usually these types of marriages are simple ceremonies and can even be done in the Priest office.
IF OP and wife have since seen the light and been living and receiving sacraments at their church, would it not only be possible but also adviseable to do this as a private matter with the Priest to avoid potential scandal? Just curious.
 
IF OP and wife have since seen the light and been living and receiving sacraments at their church
Based on the OP’s statements thus far, I would be surprised if he is receiving the sacraments in the church. He obviously needs to work through some theological questions he has before he embraces a sacramental life. One would not seriously question an institution’s validity all-the-while practicing the belief system it preaches.
 
Based on the OP’s statements thus far, I would be surprised if he is receiving the sacraments in the church. He obviously needs to work through some theological questions he has before he embraces a sacramental life. One would not seriously question an institution’s validity all-the-while practicing the belief system it preaches.
Boy, oh boy if that were only partialy correct! 😉 There are a lot of people warming pews every week with questions of validity of what they are doing - why do you suppose the numbers are so high for Catholics who do not believe in the “Real Presence.” (I sure don’t notice 60-75% of people abstaining from Communion…😛 ) But your point is well taken, one hopes your observation is correct…(I know the moderator is watching…) 😊
 
As Catholics, we are not “Bible only” Christians. We believe that Tradition is just as important as Scripture, and that the Church has the authority to interpret both. Remember the Bible didn’t come until 300+ years after Christ.

The Church could change it tommorrow, but it is up to the Church.

God Bless
When you say that Tradition is just as important you are contradicting your self.

-Lent is not a Tradition dating back to Christ
-Celebration of Christmas on 12/25 is not a Tradition dating back to Christ
-Celibacy of Priests is not…
-Confession required at a church is not…

This is just a small sampling, but you see what I’m saying. And your last statement, which validates my point, is what bothers me. I thought we were supposed to live by what the Bible says, not what the Church says. And the fact that “The Church could change it tomorrow, but it is up to the Church”, is what instigates my questioning of their authority.
 
When you say that Tradition is just as important you are contradicting your self.

-Lent is not a Tradition dating back to Christ
-Celebration of Christmas on 12/25 is not a Tradition dating back to Christ
-Celibacy of Priests is not…
-Confession required at a church is not…

This is just a small sampling, but you see what I’m saying. And your last statement, which validates my point, is what bothers me. I thought we were supposed to live by what the Bible says, not what the Church says. And the fact that “The Church could change it tomorrow, but it is up to the Church”, is what instigates my questioning of their authority.
We do not only live by what the Bible says. We live by the bible, tradition and those put in charge… St Paul tells us to hold fast to the Traditions that we were taught whether in person or by letter. Christ set up a Church and gave it the authority to make these decision. The Church has never preached Bible Alone and Christ never taught that. Who made the decision about what books are in the bible? The Church did. They have the authority. You have an issue with authority. Catholics believe in a three legged stool- Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magesterium.Christ promised that the church would have guidance and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. That’s why I don’t worry about these decisions that you seem to have an issue with.
 
It isn’t clear to me that MrAugust is even Catholic. He certainly has an “attitude” but that does not explain much. Why continue to beat our gums when every thing said (actually written) is rejected out of hand. Perhaps he is one of those kind of folks Jesus described as “stiff necked.”
 
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Tthe original question for this thread is:
My wife and I were married years ago when I was not involved with the church and was still in the darkness so to speak.
We were married in a waterfront ceremony by a judge.
Now that I’ve become somewhat closer to God I’ve thought about this. Am I obligated to do this all over again in a church?
If the responses offered have proved sufficient and there are other questions regarding the authority of the Church in general, it would more appropriate to initiate a thread on those questions in the Apologetics forum.**
 
When you say that Tradition is just as important you are contradicting your self.

-Lent is not a Tradition dating back to Christ
-Celebration of Christmas on 12/25 is not a Tradition dating back to Christ
-Celibacy of Priests is not…
-Confession required at a church is not…

This is just a small sampling, but you see what I’m saying. And your last statement, which validates my point, is what bothers me. I thought we were supposed to live by what the Bible says, not what the Church says. And the fact that “The Church could change it tomorrow, but it is up to the Church”, is what instigates my questioning of their authority.
The Church has total authority.It was given to it by Christ.Even You have it in the Gospel, You still have to believe in it.If You don’t, You have to pray for faith more!
Maybe You should read the book The Poem of The Man-God from Italian mystic Maria Valtorta and than You would know for sure.
But, there is still need for faith.Actualy, for everything in our religion You need FAITH.Either You have it or not.Jesus asks us to have faith : '…who believes in Me, will be saved…".If You believe in Him, You believe What He says to Peter : “…feed My sheep…”.And You have to believe everything, not just a little.
Woman can’t be a little pregnant.So, think about it a little.
 
It’s just funny to me that the two of us and a priest standing there in his back office with his desk, papers, filing cabinet, etc. is so much more meaningful of a service to God than the beautiful ceremony we had by the waterfront, with the sunset and many other views of God’s beauty beside us.

My husband and I had our ceremony in the sanctuary. It was us, our children and two witnesses. The total cost was $25 and the priest did not want to take that.🙂

I don’t fault anyone for their beliefs and adherence to Catholic teachings, but this goes back to a basic notion I have that a LOT of stuff in the Bible, not only the most beautiful piece of literature ever but also easily the most symbolic, is taken wayyyy too literally sometimes. And somewhere along the way there became more bureaucratic rules and regulations than our current NY state government, and that is saying a lot.

Bible and Tradition (capital T) tell us what the sacraments are.

I am just asking folks to consider the possibility that some of the foundation of what we have been taught for hundreds of years has been misrepresented to us in some areas by the Catholics who developed these rules. I’m speaking specifically of the couple hundred years after Christ when all of these other things came out such as Lent, priests no longer allowed to marry, the actual date of Christmas, etc.

Nope not misrepresented. Corrected when needed. But mostly IMHO just made official so everyone was on the same page.😃

I’m still looking for something in the Bible that states that all weddings must take place in the church. The state can make its own rules on marriage:confused: it is their right to see to it that society is protected. But, if you want the Church to recognize it then you follow the Church’s rules. As simple as that IMHO. With all due respect, “What God hath joined together” doesn’t really cement that.
 
It appears to me that Mr. August may in fact be, or has been, a “sola scriptura” Christian, although he may have been originally baptized and raised as Catholic. His responses indicate that he has much deeper issues with the Church than just having his marriage blessed. It is clearly obvious that he had not been properly catechised in the past.

This is not his situation alone. I feel most cradle Catholics are clearly lacking in understanding of their faith if they do not delve further into learning about the Church on their own. I have learned so much about the Faith since discovering Catholic radio and the EWTN 5 years ago, things I never learned or understood despite 11 years of Catholic schooling. Mr. August is seeking answers, which is a good start towards learning about the faith into which he had been baptized.

Mr. August, keep asking questions, listen to your local Catholic radio, read books by noted apologists and converts to the Faith, and watch EWTN on the television. Over time you will gain the knowledge and understanding of why the Church does what she does. You will grow to love the Church that was founded by Jesus Christ and was the only Christian church for 1400 years. Both you and your wife will then want to be joined fully in It’s Sacraments and graces given by our Lord, Jesus.

You and your wife will be in my prayers as you make your faith journey.

Oh, by the way, civil, pagan, satanic and wicken marriage ceremonies are often held outdoors by a waterfront, with the sunset and many other views of the beauty of nature. Being surrounded by the beauty of God’s creation for does not mean that God blesses these ceremonies and the unions created through them.
 
I think You don’t want advice.You want just discussion.
You probably didn’t even read Gospel and if, very quickly, because in Gospel You have everything, but one trouble is, that You have to believe or at least You have to WANT TO sincerely search for the Truth and the Truth will reveals itself to You then.
 
Mr. August, keep asking questions, listen to your local Catholic radio, read books by noted apologists and converts to the Faith,
I’ve been asking questions and discussing my issues with the “bind and loose” term when discussing Church authority, and I even gasp dared to question whether or not some important aspects of the Bible have been taken too literally.

In return, I’ve been told I have an attitude, referred to as stiff-necked, been implicitly scolded by a moderator, and even read a suggestion that I’ve never read the Bible.

I didn’t want to post this in the “Ask an Apologist” section because I wanted a give and take discussion and not a one time read-only response.

In a nutshell, I asked for examples of scripture that defined that marriage must take place in a church to be recognized by God. That’s all I ever wanted - and I never got it.

Thanks to you folks who were understanding and chose to explain your belief in Church Authority to me rather than take the pompous high horse route. You gave me a lot to think about.
 
Mr. August,
I have not read all the responses, but have you discussed this with your priest? Have you found a parish? Are you attending?

Because Matrimony is a sacrament, that is why it is stressed that it takes place in a Church. I know personally, that exceptions have been made, but you have to write to the Bishop, etc. But you are already married, yes? And you took that vow seriously, yes? Then why not ask the priest what steps to have your marriage validated? If you are returning, it can be a beautiful to reaffirm your love for your wife and God.
We are praying for you!
God speed you.
 
One more thing Mr. August,

I reread your original post, and NO, you would not have a wedding all over so do not be distressed about money, etc. Depending on what the priest says, you could do this after a mass on the weekend, simple as that!
 
ourcatholicfaith.org/canonlaw/CANON840-1165.html

If you start looking at Chapter V of the code of Canon Law of the Catholic church, you will find the church’s regulations regarding marriage in the church as sacrament.
Along with the Catholic catechism. usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3art7.htm#i
The bishops also recently launched a new website called
foryourmarriage.org and this website will answer lots of your questions of why the sacrament of marriage is so important.

I don’t know of any church in our diocese that would deny someone the opportunity of being married in the Catholic church because of a monetary reason. If someone is unable to meet the costs of the marriage prep courses, frequently they can be considered…sliding scale or at some times even waived.
No one can be denied a sacrament based on their inability to afford them. But the church requires marriage prep…not wedding day prep…marriage prep so that your marriage is not a starter marriage but a covenantal marriage that will be a smarter marriage in all ways…in a triunal covenant with Jesus as your partner in your marriage as well.

Pray on it and explore the US Council of Catholic bishops website that I recommended. You will be glad you did! With all things pray on it.
 
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