Marxism breeds on conflict

[LittleFlower378]

Watch the news and listen to the politicians…totally Marxist, not good.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

I wish.

 

[Bradski]

With Trump and the bemused disarray within the GOP, you must be talking about the Marx brothers.

I didn’t know Karl was one of them.

 

[tweedlealice]

I wish.

Salutations,
I’m confused. What do you wish? Your religion is listed as agnostic but your name in Regular Atheist. I believe the topic is our politicians are talking Marxism.
Is it your wish we are evolving into a communist country?
An agnostic believes in a God but questions some of the teachings. An atheist believes in only things he can see and touch. Like St, Thomas who doubted Christ’s resurrection.
“SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU.” “THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS IN YOU.”
Ask the Apologists some of the questions that may help you secure your belief.
May the Hold Spirit bring you to your answers.you need to focus on your relationship with the God who loves you.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

 

[Kaninchen]

So, the crises of capitalism have become so acute you foresee the proletariat seizing control of the means of production, distribution and exchange in the near future?

 

[Latias]

Salutations,
I’m confused. What do you wish? Your religion is listed as agnostic but your name in Regular Atheist. I believe the topic is our politicians are talking Marxism.
Is it your wish we are evolving into a communist country?
An agnostic believes in a God but questions some of the teachings. An atheist believes in only things he can see and touch. Like St, Thomas who doubted Christ’s resurrection.
“SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU.” “THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS IN YOU.”
Ask the Apologists some of the questions that may help you secure your belief.
May the Hold Spirit bring you to your answers.you need to focus on your relationship with the God who loves you.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

No one is talking about Marxism.

Here are some integral tenets of Marxism (and I am saying this on the top of my head).

• Class struggle
• the importance of attaining class consciousness
• opposition to imperialism
• abolition of private property
• dictatorship of the proletariat
• materialism (leads to a focus on the productive forces)

I don’t see much of this in modern liberalism or social democracy. Conservatives see any talk about wealth and income inequality as a form of “envy”, but that is in no way “class consciousness”. Perhaps talk about the “one percent” may constitute a form of class consciousness, but it is likely just a slogan to prevent causing divisiveness significant portion of the general population (say, the top fifth with good career tracks who perceive that they attained their position through advancing through a meritocratic system) but do not have ownership of significant assets. There is immense inequality in capitalist countries, but acknowledging that is in no way sufficient for “class consciousness”.

If I had my way, the US need not be a Marxist-Leninist state, but would have achieved detente with Soviet Union, and did not engage in massive military spending. So would wanting a smaller military for the US, and taking a less aggressive stance towards countries such as the DPRK, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Syria, make one a Marxist?

 

[KnowtheSilence]

Watch the news and listen to the politicians…totally Marxist, not good.

Not seeing it. Even Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist, isn’t even a real socialist, let alone a Marxist.

 

[Latias]

Not seeing it. Even Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist, isn’t even a real socialist, let alone a Marxist.

Correct. If one know what Marxism actually is, as it encompasses some of the concepts that I enumerated above. Bernie, does to some extent, embody them. For instance, he does admit the US’ role in overthrowing Arbenz in 1954 and regards the event negatively, but I do not see much of the other five concepts of Marxism. He certainly does not advocate “class struggle” or “class consciousness” in any substantial sense.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

Stuff about “proletariat seizing control of the means of production, distribution and exchange” is not the point, it is window dressing like the horrible plastic urns they put in the windows of gambling shops.

Most capitalism these days, and liberal democracy, is pursued along the lines of the intended dynamic.

 

[josephback]

So, the crises of capitalism have become so acute you foresee the proletariat seizing control of the means of production, distribution and exchange in the near future?

No, but the gap between rich and poor could become so great by the adulation of business interests with contempt for unions and the less fortunate that the crapped on classes could frankly get tired of it all and side with an open racist and bully named Trump to stick it to the man, with real world consequences. Those of an alternate persuasion and middle class could side with a senator from Vermont who openly claims to be a socialist in response. Just saying.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Is it your wish we are evolving into a communist country?

Yeah. Communism/socialism is always evoked as some incredibly scary thing that we should all just immediately recognize as evil, but I think we need to move away from capitalism. I don’t believe this is actually occurring through our political system, however, and I don’t think it will ever be able to through reforms.

An agnostic believes in a God but questions some of the teachings. An atheist believes in only things he can see and touch.

An agnostic is someone who is not sure about the existence of God. My name stems from the fact that when I first signed up here I was an edgy New Atheist type.

 

[Kaninchen]

No, but the gap between rich and poor could become so great by the adulation of business interests with contempt for unions and the less fortunate that the crapped on classes could frankly get tired of it all and side with an open racist and bully named Trump to stick it to the man, with real world consequences. Those of an alternate persuasion and middle class could side with a senator from Vermont who openly claims to be a socialist in response. Just saying.

I’d just been pointing out that terms like ‘Marxism’ really do imply quite specific ideas.

 

[Kaninchen]

Stuff about “proletariat seizing control of the means of production, distribution and exchange” is not the point,

It’s exactly the point when you use a specific term like ‘Marxism’.

it is window dressing like the horrible plastic urns they put in the windows of gambling shops.

I’m afraid you have me at a disadvantage there.

Most capitalism these days, and liberal democracy, is pursued along the lines of the intended dynamic.

You’ll have to explain.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

People are too busy, managing their 401(k) and IRA and Roth IRA.

No one has time for Marxism.

 

[GEddie]

Yeah. Communism/socialism is always evoked as some incredibly scary thing that we should all just immediately recognize as evil, but I think we need to move away from capitalism. I don’t believe this is actually occurring through our political system, however, and I don’t think it will ever be able to through reforms.

An agnostic is someone who is not sure about the existence of God. My name stems from the fact that when I first signed up here I was an edgy New Atheist type.

Capitalism creates wealth. There is no need to move away from it. Capitalism, more than any kind of philosophy, enabled more people to be nonpoor than ever before.

ICXC NIKA

 

[LittleFlower378]

Its not just a class struggle, its a type of Cultural Marxism. It lives and breeds on the conflict of:

gender identity
racism
sexism
Feminism
Homosexuality/ sodomy( its no coincidence Obama and Hilary have changed their stance on this so quickly)

This garbage is pounded in our heads in the media and college campuses.

Every time you listen to Obama, Hilary, or Sanders, they spew discord with these issues.

Mary Mother of God, on this Mother’s Day, please pray for us.

 

[Kaninchen]

Its not just a class struggle, its a type of Cultural Marxism.

Which sounds an awful lot like more of the same, ie lumping things that you don’t like together and adding the term ‘Marxism’ in the mix to show just how naughty everything is.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Which sounds an awful lot like more of the same, ie lumping things that you don’t like together and adding the term ‘Marxism’ in the mix to show just how naughty everything is.

“Cultural Marxism” is the new Judeo-Bolshevik Conspiracy. I think it’s pretty telling that a lot of the people who advocate the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory are neo-Nazis.

 

[LittleFlower378]

Which sounds an awful lot like more of the same, ie lumping things that you don’t like together and adding the term ‘Marxism’ in the mix to show just how naughty everything is.

No, these things are truly destroying our country. not only are they destroying our morals but if they are not stopped they can also create wars.

 

[Kaninchen]

No, these things are truly destroying our country. not only are they destroying our morals but if they are not stopped they can also create wars.

Well, that may, or may not, be the case but adding ‘Marxism’ into the equation is another matter altogether.