Mary must have been postmenopausal when she was assumed into heaven

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My link to understanding the blessed Virgin Mary is always through her humanity and womanhood.

When I was an adolescent I imagined how old Mary might have been when she started her menstruation. I wondered if she started the same age I did.

And during my pregnancies I imagined Mary heavy with Jesus in her womb. Did we experience all the same body feelings?

And now as my time nears perimenopause I for the first time guess that Mary must have been maybe 48 or 50 years old when she was assumed into heaven…at that time perhaps she was postmenopausal.

Any way…are there other women who consider how Mary’s own feminity parallels their own female life cycle?
Does anyone know of any good books about this specifically…Mary a human…a woman?
I welcome all to share their reflections on Holy Mary the woman blessed among all others…Holy Mary the Mother of God…Holy Mary the wife of St. Joseph…Holy Mary.
 
Not being female myself I suppose I may not be expected to contribute here.

But yes, I think women should understand that Mary was just like themselves, going through the same life cyles and feeling the same way, taking life as it is given to us, saying “yes” and being open to the call of God. Whatever you go through, she’s ‘been there’ just like your own mother. Hopefully it is a comfort and inspiration to identify with the Holy Theotokos.

This is why we can see her in so many poetically wondrous ways: Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Our Lady of Sorrows, Our Lady of Consolation, Our Lady of the Angels, Our Lady the Inexhaustable Cup.

She knows you, and you know her.

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Michael
 
I don’t know of any books, but I think it is quite natural for girls and women to relate to Mary as a mortal woman. I know I do, more and more all the time, especially now that I have the desire to become a wife and mother (a rather recent development).

I drew especially close to her when my young fiance died last year. I thought of Mary’s sorrows and asked her to help me bear my grief as she did hers. I’m sure she bore it with great grace, and I feel I have too for the most part (thanks to her, I think)—but then there were times when I felt like I was stabbed, maimed, and literally shattered to pieces, physically and spiritually. And I wondered if she must have felt the same way. I was sure she must have sometimes. Because I never felt alone in those experiences. I definitely knew that she and of course Lord Jesus were with me in those horrible times.

Now I hope I may share in some of her joys as well as her sorrows! 🙂 But even in the simplest things, such as menstruation, I am greatly comforted to think of her and to know that she is with me.
 
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Not being female myself I suppose I may not be expected to contribute here.

But yes, I think women should understand that Mary was just like themselves, going through the same life cyles and feeling the same way, taking life as it is given to us, saying “yes” and being open to the call of God. Whatever you go through, she’s ‘been there’ just like your own mother. Hopefully it is a comfort and inspiration to identify with the Holy Theotokos.

This is why we can see her in so many poetically wondrous ways: Our Lady of Perpetual Help, Our Lady of Sorrows, Our Lady of Consolation, Our Lady of the Angels, Our Lady the Inexhaustable Cup.

She knows you, and you know her.

+T+
Michael
Thank you for your beautiful reflection. Both men and women respond to Jesus Human/Jesus Divine…so why shouldn’t both men and women respond to Mary Human/Mary Most Holy?
 
read Maria de Agreda’s “Mystical City of God” Countless Popes have attested to it, it tells alot about Mary.

She did not have the effects of sin, so even if she suffered menopause, it wouldn’t have been the way other women do.

Her birth of Christ was painless, Labor pains are a result of Eve’s sin, Mary was free of sin.

Her virginity was preserved whole an entire before, during, and after the birth of Christ.

Its a mystery, but Christ may have possible used his gift of subtility during the birthing process, I don’t think the church’s teaching is clear on exactly how it happened, just that her virginity was never violated.

(From New Advent website)
The fourth quality is “subtility”, by which the body becomes subject to the absolute dominion of the soul. This is inferred from the words of the Apostle: “It is sown a natural body, it shall rise a spiritual body” (1 Corinthians 15:44). The body participates in the soul’s more perfect and spiritual life to such an extent that it becomes itself like a spirit. We see this quality exemplified in the fact that Christ passed through material objects.

Mary also probably didn’t age the same way other women age, just speculation, but the decay of the body has to do with sin.
 
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metanoia:
read Maria de Agreda’s “Mystical City of God” Countless Popes have attested to it, it tells alot about Mary.
Did you read the abridged or unabridged version? I see the abridged version is some 700 pages and goes for about $20.
The unabridged is not readily available and comes in a volume set for about $400 -$500.
I do have a place I might find the full volume set for borrowing.
 
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metanoia:
unabridged - all the way!!!
I know unabridged is always better but this time I’m starting with an abridgement. The customer reviews for it are outstanding and frankly 700+ pages will be plenty for me to start with. I can always move to the volume set. Thanks for the book suggestion.
 
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metanoia:
read Maria de Agreda’s “Mystical City of God” Countless Popes have attested to it, it tells alot about Mary.
Someone gave me this book (a paper back well worn from use) on loan 21 years ago…I did not ask for it but he gave it to me and said that I must read it. Well…I pretended that I read it…and I gave it back to him…:o No one has ever just dumped a religious book on me before and said “Read it”.
All this I remember now that my own new book is in my hand…I won’t fake it this time…I will go and read now…
 
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contemplative:
I know unabridged is always better but this time I’m starting with an abridgement. The customer reviews for it are outstanding and frankly 700+ pages will be plenty for me to start with. I can always move to the volume set. Thanks for the book suggestion.
You can find it (abridged edition) online too.
geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/7194/

Gearoidin
 
Did you read the abridged or unabridged version? I see the abridged version is some 700 pages and goes for about $20.
The unabridged is not readily available and comes in a volume set for about $400 -$500.
I do have a place I might find the full volume set for borrowing.
Tan Books has the unabridged version (4 volumes) for $85.00!
 
This link is from the Orthodox Church, but is much like that of the Eastern Catholic Church. So I thought you might be interested in it…
orthodoxworld.ru/english/feasts/9/index.htm

Liturgically, the most important Feast of the Theotokos is that of her Dormition or Falling-Asleep. Prior to this Feast there is a strict two-week fast, beginning on August 1, which is broken only by the Feast of the Transfiguration on August 6. This Feast possesses two distinct aspects inseparably linked in the mind of the believer. On the one hand, there is death and burial and, on the other, resurrection and the assumption of the Mother of God. As part of the Inner Tradition of the Church, this event was mystery that was not designed for the ears of the outside world, but which was revealed to the faithful within the Church.
True believers know that insofar as the son of God assumed human nature in the womb of the Virgin, She who was the means of His Incarnation was resurrected and taken up into Heaven in the Divine Glory of Her Son. Arise, 0 Lord, and go to Thy resting place. Thou and the ark of Thy might (Ps. 132;8). The Son transported His Mother to the eternity of the life to come, “for being the Mother of Life, she was translated to life by the One Who dwelt in her virginal womb” (from the Kontakion of the Feast)…

According to the Inner Tradition of the Church, the Dormition of the Most-Holy Theotokos took place in the following manner: Having reached an advanced age, the Most-Pure One wished to leave the body and go to God as soon as possible, since the one unceasing desire of her soul had always been to see the sweet face of her son sitting at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. Many tears she shed as she prayed to the Lord to take her from this present vale of sorrows…
 
The dormition and assumption arise within the mystical traditions of the church (not from my being an academic on the subject, but just looking at it from afar).

There are all sorts of embellishments on the life of Mary which bother me, especially by the way people want to promote and advance these sorts of belief. It’s almost always and exclusively in the realm of Marian beliefs that the Church invokes that distinction between general revelation and private revelation. Most of the mystics seem to be merely annoyed by that, or otherwise just ignore it.

It lays a heavy burden on me, because it supposes that my spiritual life is lacking the substance that they are peddling.
 
…She did not have the effects of sin, so even if she suffered menopause, it wouldn’t have been the way other women do…
Her birth of Christ was painless, Labor pains are a result of Eve’s sin, Mary was free of sin…
Its a mystery, but Christ may have possible used his gift of subtility during the birthing process… Christ passed through material objects…
Mary also probably didn’t age the same way other women age, just speculation, but the decay of the body has to do with sin.
I agree with all of this, Metanoia. I think we can relate to Mary in that she is our soul’s rememberance of how we should have been/should be. How we certainly will be again, if we follow her example. I also think that leading a life filled with the Holy Spirit and in deepest love with God must have made her seem an eternal youth, all of her days. As our souls tell us we should be. Decay is a part of life in this world, which we must accept, but our souls know its not our true destiny.

St. Augustine said that *Mary gave birth to Jesus like a ray of light passes through a pane of glass. *
 
read Maria de Agreda’s “Mystical City of God” Countless Popes have attested to it, it tells alot about Mary.

She did not have the effects of sin, so even if she suffered menopause, it wouldn’t have been the way other women do.

Her birth of Christ was painless, Labor pains are a result of Eve’s sin, Mary was free of sin.

Her virginity was preserved whole an entire before, during, and after the birth of Christ.

Its a mystery, but Christ may have possible used his gift of subtility during the birthing process, I don’t think the church’s teaching is clear on exactly how it happened, just that her virginity was never violated.

(From New Advent website)
The fourth quality is “subtility”, by which the body becomes subject to the absolute dominion of the soul. This is inferred from the words of the Apostle: “It is sown a natural body, it shall rise a spiritual body” (1 Corinthians 15:44). The body participates in the soul’s more perfect and spiritual life to such an extent that it becomes itself like a spirit. We see this quality exemplified in the fact that Christ passed through material objects.

Mary also probably didn’t age the same way other women age, just speculation, but the decay of the body has to do with sin.
Dear Metanoia, I respectfully disagree with your post.

*She did not have the effects of sin, so even if she suffered menopause, it wouldn’t have been the way other women do. * I should think that Mary mentrated and went through menopause, the same as other women do. Not every woman “suffers” from these acts of nature. Mary was fully human.

Her birth of Christ was painless, Labor pains are a result of Eve’s sin, Mary was free of sin. Her virginity was preserved whole an entire before, during, and after the birth of Christ. On this we agree.

Mary also probably didn’t age the same way other women age, just speculation, but the decay of the body has to do with sin. No, I think her body was little when she was young and grew and developed in the same manner as other women and men.

Being the Mother of God did not prevent her from possessing normal human attributes, except during events that involved her uniqueness towards her Son - ex: incarnation. I think she stubbed her toe, cut her nails, combed her hair, took baths, scratched an itch, preferred one food over another, sang, cried, worried, smiled, probably had a tooth ache, maybe had a stiff neck, etc. etc. etc. She was human…Her Son was human and divine.

Unless I read it wrong, the quote from the New Advent pertains to the “resurrected” body of Christ not Mary.
 
Dear Metanoia, I respectfully disagree with your post…I should think that Mary menstrated and went through menopause, the same as other women do. Not every woman “suffers” from these acts of nature. Mary was fully human…
I have some respectful disagreements with some of your opinions!

It never occured to think of Mary’s menstration. Probably she did, but then, maybe she didn’t. She may have been quite different in this way as well. We don’t know. DID Eve menstrate before the fall?? (Hmm - some women call it “the curse”!). I don’t think this is in the catechism, so we can only speculate.

I wonder if Blessed Mary Agreda commented on this? She has a lot to say on every aspect of Mary. I have only skimmed the abridged City of God so I don’t know. But from what I did read, I would not be surprised to read Mary Agreda saying Our Lady did not menstrate.

As far as menopause, in our day, with the soils depleted of organics with mass crop farming with chemical fertalizers and pesticides, and even our standard healthy diet being nutritionally depleted, our menopause comes earlier than it used to. Back then, when their diets had no processed foods at all, but were full of fresh whole foods farmed naturally - whole grains, fresh fish, and the lifestle was more active, with more walking and plenty of sunshine, its likely everyone went through menopause much later.

Think about also how hate in the heart causes physical degradation and early death. Think of how love in the heart must surely do the opposite. Then think of the magnitude of the love in the Immaculate heart of the Mother of Our Lord!
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When you think of this, its easy to see we cannot assume she was “just like us” physically. Especially when it comes to physical degradation which we know is related to the fall.

I am not saying I think she was preserved like a 15 year old all her life, but, because of her life and heart, I do think the physical degradation would be different. Less.

Think of older people falling in love, truly. They look like youths again. Mary, who was always in love with God, and then so intimately in love with her Son, and we can only imagine the Holy Spirit, who surely never abandonned her - - she truly must have been an eternal youth! In some sense(s) anyway.
Being the Mother of God did not prevent her from possessing normal human attributes, except during events that involved her uniqueness towards her Son - ex: incarnation. I think she stubbed her toe, cut her nails, combed her hair, took baths, scratched an itch, preferred one food over another, sang, cried, worried, smiled, probably had a tooth ache, maybe had a stiff neck, etc. etc. etc. She was human…Her Son was human and divine. .
Somehow, I do not see Jesus and Mary, living in such perfect love and in such perfect harmony, with their wills surrendered to the will of God, as having to suffer many aliments of the immune system such as a toothache. I bet their immune systems were singing! I do not see them doing a lot of toe-stubbing. I do see that in me, when I am out of balance, out of sorts. I don’t see them beign out of balance and out of sorts too often. Instead I see the both being fully peaceful and in the moment.

Whatever they did in their practical lives, they did it as people who had no vices, no compulsions, no selfishness. Whatever they were doing, they were willing to put it aside for the needs of another. Whatever they did, they did it with love and harmony, peace, patience and prayer.

I bet Jesus’ favortie foods had a lot to do with Mary making them!
Unless I read it wrong, the quote from the New Advent pertains to the “resurrected” body of Christ not Mary.
No one here is thinking Mary was “resurrected”. Thats because pretty much of us here are Catholic.

Mary was unique. So was Eve. Eve became more like us. Mary didn’t. Mary is Blessed Among all Women.
Mary is related to God like no other:

Daughter of God
Mother of the Son
Spouse of the Holy Spirit.


So these supposings of how those unique connections to the Holy Trinity might have affected her physicality are not unusual.
 
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