Mary queen of heaven and earth?

[MARTIN2]

WHY IS MARY QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND EARTH?
OR UNIVERSE?

SOME PROTESTANT GUY ASK ME AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO TELL HIM WHY!

HE SAYS THAT MARY IS DEAD LIKE THE REST OF THE APOSTLES WAITING FOR THE RESURECTION AND THAT SHE IS NOT IN HEAVEN WITH JESUS.

 

[YinYangMom]

Well I guess it wouldn’t help for you to tell him, “Because she said so” in one of her apparitions. Though that was certainly enough for me

 

[Anne]

You may try asking where her bones are.We have bones of the dead apostles.

 

[Scott_Waddell]

While I am familiar with the title Queen of Heaven. I have not heard Queen of Earth. Someone will have to enlighten me.

As far as Queen of Heaven, it is logical biblically:

In the Davidic kingdom, the mother of the king is queen.
Jesus is the King of Heaven.
Mary is the mother of Jesus
Therefore, Mary is Queen of Heaven.

I would suggest that hypothetically it would still be true if your friend believed she had to wait until the resurrection (soul sleep?), so what’s the real objection?

Scott

 

[thisismyusrname]

The real objection lies in a view of honoring Mary - as Queen of Heaven and Earth, no less - as idolatrous, basicly.

How does he back up his claim that they are not in Heaven before the resurrection?

 

[Racer_X]

Scott Waddell:

As far as Queen of Heaven, it is logical biblically:

In the Davidic kingdom, the Mother of the king is Queen (the Queen mother).
Jesus is the King of Heaven.
Mary is the mother of Jesus
Therefore, Mary is Queen of Heaven.

Right. Look at the scripture (no cite at the moment) where Solomon has a second throne set up next to his own for the queen-mother. He had umpteen-hundred wives but his mother is who ruled with him.

As for Mary being dead and waiting for the resurrection:

Heaven is not part of this physical universe and so Heaven-time (if there is such a thing) has no correspondence with physical-time. It doesn’t make sense to ask where someone who died is NOW, because NOW on earth refers strictly to the physical universe. When you yourself die, you might just as likely find yourself standing in line to get into heaven behind St. Paul or Moses as anyone contemporary.

And consequently, if people in Heaven can see us on earth (the cloud of witnesses) they are not restricted to seeing a particular point in history. They would see all of history just like someone looking down on the earth is free to see the entire globe from pole to pole.

 

[Scott_Waddell]

thisismyusrname:

The real objection lies in a view of honoring Mary - as Queen of Heaven and Earth, no less - as idolatrous, basicly.

How does he back up his claim that they are not in Heaven before the resurrection?

Right, I was being rhetorical to demonstrate that he is closer to Catholic teaching than he thinks if he will simply follow the logic of what queenship is in Scripture.

Scott

 

[bengal_fan]

i’ve never understood how people can think that the apostles and the believers before us who have “died” aren’t in heaven. how do they reconcile where Jesus tells the theif “today, you will be with Me in paradise.” it is pretty clear that the guy went to heaven that day. although i am a protestant (maybe not for much longer if God continues to answer my questions) i do get frustrated with how poorly many protestants treat mary. i am not sure i am ready to except the level of elevation the catholic church has put her (although i am researching it and trying to be objective, the main issues are the term “mediatrix” and “co-redeemer” the latter i’m not even sure is actually catholic teaching or just the banter of a few catholics i’ve heard say it) but to say she is not in heaven or even not to aknowledge that she has a very important place in heaven is absurd and it drives me nuts how far some of them go to disagree with the catholic church. i am not posting this for people to answer these questions for me because i am already reading three different books with another two on hold. i just wanted to say what i said. thanks for listening.

 

[quintessential5]

how do they reconcile where Jesus tells the theif “today, you will be with Me in paradise.” it is pretty clear that the guy went to heaven that day.

Not that I’m defending this stance or anything but they basically claim that it will appear like one day since while “asleep” the dead will not notice the passage of time. Their stance almost makes sense since St. Paul talks about the judgement of the dead on the last day…but they confuse the particular judgement with the final judgement.

I think Racer X had an awesome description of what time will really be like to those who die…they won’t have it at all. They will see all things “unstuck from time”.

 

[bengal_fan]

quintessential,
i have heard that argument many times and i understand that you don’t adhere to it but i still felt inclined to respond . the argument doesn’t hold water because Jesus and the theif are still in “time” when the statement takes place and Jesus was referring to the day that they were experiencing right then. just thought i’d say it and i know you don’t believe their argument but just in case anyone else reads it there it is .

 

[steve_b]

bengal_fan:

i do get frustrated with how poorly many protestants treat mary. i am not sure i am ready to except the level of elevation the catholic church has put her (although i am researching it and trying to be objective,

Don’t worry, the Catholic Church can’t begin to elevate and honor Mary like her Son honors and elevates her. What we do is feeble in comparison.

the main issues are the term “mediatrix” and “co-redeemer” the latter i’m not even sure is actually catholic teaching or just the banter of a few catholics i’ve heard say it)

Have you seen any explanations of these terms in your studies?

but to say she is not in heaven or even not to aknowledge that she has a very important place in heaven is absurd and it drives me nuts how far some of them go to disagree with the catholic church.

I know what ya mean. I hope you’re finding the answers you’re looking for in your search

 

[Mijoy2]

The issue of Mary being in Heaven with her son is so easy for me to understand. I know how I felt about my Mother. And if I was in charge…

 

[dfhauer]

bengal_fan:

I am not sure i am ready to except the level of elevation the catholic church has put her (although i am researching it and trying to be objective, the main issues are the term “mediatrix” and “co-redeemer” the latter i’m not even sure is actually catholic teaching or just the banter of a few catholics i’ve heard say it)

Coredemptrix is a term used in more recent history in the church. It has been used by the popes in talking about Mary in the past. One of the uses of it that best shows the meaning is from a radio address by Pope Pius XI from Lourdes on April 28, 1935,

“O Mother of piety and mercy, who as Coredemptrix stood by your most sweet Son suffering with Him when He consummated the redemption of the human race on the altar of the cross…”

There is a paper by Mark Miravale that discusses what these terms mean and how they fit Mary. You can see it at:

christendom-awake.org/pages/marian/5thdogma/voxpopbk1.htm

Good luck and God Bless in your journey.

in pacem Christus,
df

 

[Salmon]

Racer X:

Right. Look at the scripture (no cite at the moment) where Solomon has a second throne set up next to his own for the queen-mother. He had umpteen-hundred wives but his mother is who ruled with him.

1 Kings 2:12-20 says it all.
12 So Solomon sat on the throne of his father David; and his kingdom was firmly established.
13Then Adonijah son of Haggith came to Bathsheba, Solomon’s mother. She asked, “Do you come peaceably?” He said, “Peaceably.”
14Then he said, “May I have a word with you?” She said, “Go on.” 15He said, “You know that the kingdom was mine, and that all Israel expected me to reign; however, the kingdom has turned about and become my brother’s, for it was his from the LORD. 16And now I have one request to make of you; do not refuse me.” She said to him, “Go on.”
17He said, “Please ask King Solomon–he will not refuse you–to give me Abishag the Shunammite as my wife.”
18Bathsheba said, “Very well; I will speak to the king on your behalf.”
19So Bathsheba went to King Solomon, to speak to him on behalf of Adonijah. The king rose to meet her, and bowed down to her; then he sat on his throne, and had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right.
20Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother; for I will not refuse you.”

Peace in Christ…Salmon

 

[gomer_tree]

Mary as Queen of Heaven isn’t dogmatic (at least at this point in time), but is generally accepted (by Catholics, anyway!)

One may also point to Revelation, Chapter 12 where she is shown wearing a crown. (Probably not a real selling point with Protestants, since they will attribute the woman as solely representing Israel, but regardless it is one of the reasons we attribute this title to her.)

 

[Fidelis]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

966 “Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.” The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

970 “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it." "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”

 

[Mike_Rainville]

Ad Caeli Reginam by Pope Pius XII on the Queenship of Mary

1. By this Encyclical Letter We are instituting a feast so that all may recognize more clearly and venerate more devoutly the merciful and maternal sway of the Mother of God. We are convinced that this feast will help to preserve, strengthen and prolong that peace among nations which daily is almost destroyed by recurring crises. Is she not a rainbow in the clouds reaching towards God, the pledge of a covenant of peace?[62] “Look upon the rainbow, and bless Him that made it; surely it is beautiful in its brightness. It encompasses the heaven about with the circle of its glory, the hands of the Most High have displayed it.”[63] Whoever, therefore, reverences the Queen of heaven and earth - and let no one consider himself exempt from this tribute of a grateful and loving soul - let him invoke the most effective of Queens, the Mediatrix of peace; let him respect and preserve peace, which is not wickedness unpunished nor freedom without restraint, but a well-ordered harmony under the rule of the will of God; to its safeguarding and growth the gentle urgings and commands of the Virgin Mary impel us.

 

[Mike_Rainville]

Ad Caeli Reginam by Pope Pius XII on the Queenship of Mary

1. By this Encyclical Letter We are instituting a feast so that all may recognize more clearly and venerate more devoutly the merciful and maternal sway of the Mother of God. We are convinced that this feast will help to preserve, strengthen and prolong that peace among nations which daily is almost destroyed by recurring crises. Is she not a rainbow in the clouds reaching towards God, the pledge of a covenant of peace?[62] “Look upon the rainbow, and bless Him that made it; surely it is beautiful in its brightness. It encompasses the heaven about with the circle of its glory, the hands of the Most High have displayed it.”[63] Whoever, therefore, reverences the Queen of heaven and earth - and let no one consider himself exempt from this tribute of a grateful and loving soul - let him invoke the most effective of Queens, the Mediatrix of peace; let him respect and preserve peace, which is not wickedness unpunished nor freedom without restraint, but a well-ordered harmony under the rule of the will of God; to its safeguarding and growth the gentle urgings and commands of the Virgin Mary impel us.

 

[Matt16_18]

While I am familiar with the title Queen of Heaven. I have not heard Queen of Earth. Someone will have to enlighten me.

“… thy will be done, on EARTH as it is in HEAVEN…”

Sunday, Nov. 21, 2004 - Christ the King, Solemnity

Christ is king of heaven and earth. Mary is the Queen Mum, and she enjoys her royal status because of Christ’s kingship. Mary is also my mother. Which makes me a prince in a royal family.

All Christians are princes and princesses in a giant royal family.