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i am a new convert and have a question about the mass and communion. i have recently been told that the true mass is the one in Latin and that Jesus actually warned Marie-Julie Jahenny about the mass spoken in native languages. what is the truth on this matter, because i thought that Vatican 2 approved ‘the new mass’ and i thought when bishops come together they cannot teach error. i might be wrong on that.
the second question i have is that i also heard that recieving communion in the hands is wrong and you should also kneel during communion. to back up what they were pointing out there is a quote: ‘Out of reverence towards this Sacrament, nothing touches it but what is consecrated.’ St. Thomas Aquinas
please help if you know.
 
my bet is you were told neither of these things by the bishop of your diocese or by those priests and others he has commissioned to teach in your diocese. Obey your bishop and participate in Mass offered according to the rites of the Church, and receive communion as instructed in your Catholic parish.
 
Before the Mass was in Latin, it was in Greek. Latin was the vernacular of the time, the language of the “vulgar” people.
Vatican II encouraged the use of the vernacular in order for the faithful to more fully participate in the liturgy of the Mass, “not as spectators or silent observers.”
There was discussion during Vatican II regarding receiving communion in the hands versus on the tongue. Many receive on the tongue as a sign of reverance and there was concern that this reverance would be lost.
3. Receiving Commuion in the hand should relay for the communicant “his sense of his dignity as a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, of which baptism and the Eucharist make him a part. He will thus experience an increase of faith in the reality of the Body and Blood of the Lord which he touches with his hands. His respectful attitude should be porportionate to what he is doing.” (Vatican II document 12 on the Sacred Liturgy)
Do not let what others may have told you cause distress.
 
Stop listening to whoever told you that stuff. None of it is true.

Receiving Holy Communion can be either in the hand or on the tongue. Do whichever you prefer.

Betsy
 
i am a new convert and have a question about the mass and communion. i have recently been told that the true mass is the one in Latin and that Jesus actually warned Marie-Julie Jahenny about the mass spoken in native languages. what is the truth on this matter, because i thought that Vatican 2 approved ‘the new mass’ and i thought when bishops come together they cannot teach error. i might be wrong on that.
the second question i have is that i also heard that recieving communion in the hands is wrong and you should also kneel during communion. to back up what they were pointing out there is a quote: ‘Out of reverence towards this Sacrament, nothing touches it but what is consecrated.’ St. Thomas Aquinas
please help if you know.
Both the Ordinary Rite (Novus Ordo or New Mass) and the Extraordinary Rite (the Traditional Latin Mass) were promulgated in Latin. So these would be the normative Masses by definition. Those that are in vernacular would be allowed by the bishops since neither council, Trent and Vatican II, prescribed the entire Mass to be said in vernacular. Vatican II explicitly expressed that the Mass (in the West) should be in Latin, allowing only readings to be read in the vernacular.

As far as communion in the hands, that too is an indult as Vatican II didn’t order that either.

As far as the bishops go, what they say is not infallible; however, they should be shepherds that care about the spiritual state of your soul at all times.
 
All great worries and good questions. Some of which I was struggling with a year ago. Let’s take them one by one shall we…
THe previous posts about having mass in your native language is 100% correct. Vatican II did allow priests to say mass in the native tounge of their parish which, naturally, SHOULD increase understanding of what’s going on right? We’ll it is up to us to listen too so you can draw youre own conclusions on that one.
The reason being is that yes, although the bishops did convene on this specific matter, it was the Pope who made the “Infalable dcision” that saying mass in the native tounge was ok. In essense, the bishop’s jobs were to convince the Pope of this need (hence, Vatican II).
As for the acceptence of communion, it depends on what your parish’s “common stance” is. Some parishes have the “common stance” of kneeling before the Eucharistic minister to receive but very few. In fact, the majority of Parishes in the Western Civilizations have the common stance of acceptence on the hands. “Common stance” was created basically so that each Parish could be unified in their practicies and, let’s not forget, the proper movements and procedures. For example, if one were to accept on their knees while another were to bow reverently, who knows what would happen if the kneeler got up too quickly and the bow was too reverent! 🙂 You’re best bet is to give a slight bow before accpepting either with your hands or directly on the tounge.
I will give you an argument for both. In the Gospel’s Jesus tells us that the Eucharist is “True food and true drink.” Jesus also tells us that our bodies are “Temples of the Holy Spirit.” So in order to be in communion with him we are to accept His Eucharist as food for our souls. So where would you put “Food for the soul” before you eat it? Would you eat cereal without a bowl, spaghetti without a plate? Nor should you take communion without a proper place for it to rest, IE: the alter that you make in the palm of your hands before sharing in the sacrifice that Jesus has made for you.
As for acceptance on the tounge the “true food and drink” will get there eventually. Whether it is your tounge or your hands, it is all still part of your temple that contains the Holy Spirit.
Trutuhfully, none of us are worthy to accept communion because we all sin. But it is because we are sinners that we need communion most. For that reason, as Im sure you know, we have great need of confession so that we can grow to hate sin, and grow to love the one who conquered sin.
As far as St. Thomas Aquinas’ quote I am pretty sure that during his lifetime and up until recently, no one was allowed to dispurse communion besides the priest himself. In fact, Aquinas was probably more than right during that time. However, Even the most brilliant Saints have had their quotes refuted because of the cahnge in society and culture. For example, St. Augustine was one of the first to insititute doctrine on the idea of the Holy Trinity (1 God in three persons). Howeever, he also began the doctrine that encompassed Limbo, a dogma that has since been sacked by Pope Benedict 16. You see, Jesus told Peter that “whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you condemn on earth will be condemned in heaven.” As this authority was passed down from Peter to Clement and all of the other Popes after him until our present Pope, this same power was given to each so that Christ’s Church would be able to survive the changes in society and yet still have good morals and perfect doctrine. Without this “Infallabality” on religious matters, we would have no eucharistic ministers, masses in native languages, my goodness, we probably would barely have a Catholic Church. But Jesus knew it would need to change and yet, it still remains perfect. Just goes to show how creative our God really is.
Other forum members, please correct me if you see anything out of place. I know we have some very learned folks on these forums.
God Bless
 
my bet is you were told neither of these things by the bishop of your diocese or by those priests and others he has commissioned to teach in your diocese. Obey your bishop and participate in Mass offered according to the rites of the Church, and receive communion as instructed in your Catholic parish.
no, they were not the bishop or anything like that. just lay people. but i did hear a conspiracy theory too on how the priests of today are actually trying to destroy the Church, change the mass, and destroy the faith of Catholics and this was made known to marie-julie jahenny from Christ himself.
 
i’m not with conspiracy theorys anyway. i just wanted to know about these two things.
 
no, they were not the bishop or anything like that. just lay people. but i did hear a conspiracy theory too on how the priests of today are actually trying to destroy the Church, change the mass, and destroy the faith of Catholics and this was made known to marie-julie jahenny from Christ himself.
if you have decided to join the Church, welcome home, that is news for rejoicing, but having made that decision, recall that you have decided to accept and believe all that the Catholic Church holds and teaches, you can’t pick and choose, especially based on paranoid conspiracy theories and dissenters who reject clear Church teaching and practice. Get you information from reliable Catholic sources like this one. Go back to your RCIA catechists and sponsor and pastor if you have specific question. Do not give the time of day to anyone whose message is at variance with Church teaching.
 
As for Communion in the hand - like others have said, we’re allowed to receive either way 🙂 But even Cyril of Jerusalem told us that receiving in the hand was practiced before the year 400AD
“Approaching, therefore, come not with thy wrists extended, or thy fingers open; but make thy left hand as if a throne for thy right, which is on the eve of receiving the King. And having hallowed thy palm, receive the body of Christ, saying after it, ‘Amen.’ Then after thou hast with carefulness hallowed thine eyes by the touch of the holy body, partake thereof; giving heed lest thou lose any of it; for what thou losest is a loss to thee as it were from one of thine own members. For tell me, if anyone gave thee gold dust, wouldst thou not with all precaution keep it fast, being on thy guard against losing any of it, and suffering loss?”
 
Receiving Holy Communion on the hand is ancient tradition – receiving on tongue only became the norm in the ninth or tenth century, to prevent abuse of the Blessed Sacrament.

Another poster beat me at quoting St. Cyril. 👍 But I’ll quote St. John Damascus, who wrote:
The bread and the wine are not merely figures of the body and blood of Christ (God forbid!) but the deified body of the Lord itself: for the Lord has said, “This is My body,” not, this is a figure of My body: and “My blood,” not, a figure of My blood. And on a previous occasion He had said to the Jews, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you. For My flesh is meat indeed and My blood is drink indeed. And again, He that eateth Me, shall live.
Wherefore with all fear and a pure conscience and certain faith let us draw near and it will assuredly be to us as we believe, doubting nothing. Let us pay homage to it in all purity both of soul and body: for it is twofold. Let us draw near to it with an ardent desire, and with our hands held in the form of the cross let us receive the body of the Crucified One: and let us apply our eyes and lips and brows and partake of the divine coal, in order that the fire of the longing, that is in us, with the additional heat derived from the coal may utterly consume our sins and illumine our hearts, and that we may be inflamed and deified by the participation in the divine fire. Isaiah saw the coal. But coal is not plain wood but wood united with fire: in like manner also the bread of the communion is not plain bread but bread united with divinity. But a body which is united with divinity is not one nature, but has one nature belonging to the body and another belonging to the divinity that is united to it, so that the compound is not one nature but two.
Isn’t that beautiful?

Also, there are both “traditionalists” (Catholics who prefer the mass in Latin) and members of the SSPX (Society of St. (Pope) Piux X), or Lefebvrists, who denounce the mass in the vernacular as well as other Novo Order rubrics. Heed and rejoice in the teachings of the Magesterium – and ENJOY being Catholic! Welcome “Home” xmydreamsfadex.
 
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