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Woman1987
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Any catholics from Jerusalem? I prefer not going to the novus ordo and I consider to go to an armenian catholic church as there is no tridentine mass in Jerusalem. Am I allowed to receive the sacraments here?
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runningdude
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Why not go celebrate mass at the very foot of the cross - the Church of the Holy Sepulture!
The sacredness of this site should more than make up for the rite of mass attended
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followingtheway
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If it’s in communion with rome, yes. But wait you live in Jerusalem? Oh my gosh, how’s it like? Isn’t it dangerous?
Oh dear, yes please do.
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malphono
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Yes, you may.
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ConstantineTG
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Well if its Armenian Catholic, then yes you can receive the Eucharist there.
Not sure about their exact presence in Jerusalem, but the Melkites and Maronites do have Jerusalem in their canonical territory, perhaps they will have churches or chapels in and around the Holy City.
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AJV
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You might want to check that you are actually going to be attending a Badarak/Patarag. I used to serve Mass on Sundays at the Armenian Catholic church in Jerusalem a couple of years back when I was living there. At that time (might have changed, no clue), the bishop had pushed off to Bethlehem for some months, where his flock was larger, so a Franciscan from the Custody would come and celebrate Mass (Novus Ordo, in Latin). The Sister Disciples of the Divine Master, who maintain an Adoration Chapel in the crypt, were the regular attendees.
The actual Armenian parishioners consisted of (a) the old, somewhat deaf organist [who once gave me a very vivid description of what the Almighty does to errant seminarians who run away from the priesthood] (b) a middle-aged lady who would sing at the high-C of a high-C who would occasionally drag along a flashily dressed young man with slicked hair. If these two, plus a few others, showed up, we would have a mixture of Latin Novus Ordo with Armenian Divine Liturgy hymns thrown in (so for e.g. Khorhood Khorin and Targavor Yerknavor at the entrance, and Hayr Yerknavor after the Mysterium Fidei, etc.). It was quite “Tridentine” in that the priest and myself would recite the appropriate Latin texts at the altar, while they sang the Armenian - which at times was quite different.
If the Armenians did not show up, then there was straight up ad-orientam Latin NO, with texts from the Graduale Simplex sung by the sisters.
Incidentally, if you do prefer to only attend Traditional liturgies, sometimes the pilgrim priests who celebrate a Mass @ 5:30/6:00 a.m. etc. Masses at the Latin altars on Calvary, or one of the other altars in the Holy Sepulchre are Traditional priests and celebrate the Traditional Mass. Having said that, the main Mass in the morning at the Sepulchre is in Latin (usually, unless there is a large visiting contingent) and is chanted. Aside from Fridays, when it is celebrated at the Calvary altar, you often can’t hear much of the second half of the liturgy as the priest-celebrant is inside the tomb – but if you are Traditional, I suspect that won’t bother you.
You might want to also look up the Melkites – their weekday liturgies aren’t well attended, and they are in Arabic but Sayedna Zerey is very gracious and will switch to English for some parts if he thinks you don’t understand Arabic. And they have a beautiful church.
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Woman1987
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It is not dangerous. Many people do not go to Israel because they think it is dangerous however the chance that something will happen to a tourist is very small.
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Woman1987
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Thanks for the information. I did not know we were allowed to attend a melkites mass. I thought it was only allowed if there is no novus ordo in the area you are based.
I thought the St. James convent was armenian catholic however it is in fact armenian orthodox. Could you perhaps tell me the name of the armenian catholic church you used to serve mass?
I thought the St. James convent was armenian catholic however it is in fact armenian orthodox. Could you perhaps tell me the name of the armenian catholic church you used to serve mass?
You might want to check that you are actually going to be attending a Badarak/Patarag. I used to serve Mass on Sundays at the Armenian Catholic church in Jerusalem a couple of years back when I was living there. At that time (might have changed, no clue), the bishop had pushed off to Bethlehem for some months, where his flock was larger, so a Franciscan from the Custody would come and celebrate Mass (Novus Ordo, in Latin). The Sister Disciples of the Divine Master, who maintain an Adoration Chapel in the crypt, were the regular attendees.
The actual Armenian parishioners consisted of (a) the old, somewhat deaf organist [who once gave me a very vivid description of what the Almighty does to errant seminarians who run away from the priesthood] (b) a middle-aged lady who would sing at the high-C of a high-C who would occasionally drag along a flashily dressed young man with slicked hair. If these two, plus a few others, showed up, we would have a mixture of Latin Novus Ordo with Armenian Divine Liturgy hymns thrown in (so for e.g. Khorhood Khorin and Targavor Yerknavor at the entrance, and Hayr Yerknavor after the Mysterium Fidei, etc.). It was quite “Tridentine” in that the priest and myself would recite the appropriate Latin texts at the altar, while they sang the Armenian - which at times was quite different.
If the Armenians did not show up, then there was straight up ad-orientam Latin NO, with texts from the Graduale Simplex sung by the sisters.
Incidentally, if you do prefer to only attend Traditional liturgies, sometimes the pilgrim priests who celebrate a Mass @ 5:30/6:00 a.m. etc. Masses at the Latin altars on Calvary, or one of the other altars in the Holy Sepulchre are Traditional priests and celebrate the Traditional Mass. Having said that, the main Mass in the morning at the Sepulchre is in Latin (usually, unless there is a large visiting contingent) and is chanted. Aside from Fridays, when it is celebrated at the Calvary altar, you often can’t hear much of the second half of the liturgy as the priest-celebrant is inside the tomb – but if you are Traditional, I suspect that won’t bother you.
You might want to also look up the Melkites – their weekday liturgies aren’t well attended, and they are in Arabic but Sayedna Zerey is very gracious and will switch to English for some parts if he thinks you don’t understand Arabic. And they have a beautiful church.
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AJV
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You can attend the liturgy in any Catholic church in communion with the Pope - Melkite, Maronite, Syriac, Latin (Traditional or NO), etc. - and receive Communion there.
To be honest, I don’t know the name of the church (I’m trying to think if it has an explicit one). The easiest way to get there is to enter through the Lion Gate and then walk down the Via Dolorosa, past the Flagellation-Condemnation church, until you hit Tariq al-Wad. On your right will be the Austrian Hospice and on your left will be the Armenian church. You will see a doorway with the picture/carving of Christ carrying the cross and meeting the B.Virgin Mary. When you enter, you will be in a courtyard and the church is visible.
Alternatively, you can enter from the Damascus Gate - you will see two roads. Take the left one (Tariq al-Wad) and keep walking down it until you get to the Via Dolorosa. Once you past the Austrian Hospice, the next building will be the Armenian Catholic church.
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AJV
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Incidentally, the religious sisters who are usually there (Sister Disciples of the Divine Master) don’t speak any English, except for one of them who is Indian. Not a syllable. Italian or French is the way to go. Or lots and lots of sign language.
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Old_Salt
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There are TLM’s in the Holy Land.
Offered by mostly FSSP and SSPX tour groups.
Same as TLM’s in St Peters Basilica Rome.
Offered by mostly FSSP and SSPX tour groups.
Same as TLM’s in St Peters Basilica Rome.
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iohanne
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I was under the impression that the Mass at the Holy Sepulchre was an Extraordinary Form Mass? Am I incorrect?
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AJV
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Yes. It is Latin, NO, with a few peculiarities and several inheritances from the Traditional Mass (for example, the style of incensing, the preparation of the altar often at the Creed [when one is sung], etc.). And depending on the altar used, it is “ad orientem”, though curiously, most Franciscans turn around at the elevations, instead of raising the Host/Chalice over the head.
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Woman1987
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Thanks a lot to all of you. I will contact the Holy Sepulchre church in order to ask if they can let me know when there are FSSP masses celebrated. However I am happy that the latin novus Ordo there at least has some traditional elements.
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Colorad007
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There are numerous Catholic Churches in Jersualem. Opus Dei also appears to run apostolic activities in Jerusalem. There are also Masses in Jaffa (a historic neighborhood in what is now south Tel Aviv). If you plan on visiting Tel Aviv/Jaffa, I would advise you to check out those chuches and Jaffa if only for the historic value. One of the churches there serves an extraordinarily diverse population. Israel is a very diverse country, with people from all over the world (many of whom are not even Jewish).
Keep in mind, too, that Sunday is a normal workday in Israel. Many churches still hold Sunday morning Mass–in fact, most on the list I have given you look like they have Mass in the morning, but there might be some that hold Mass only (or also) in the evening… I would advise you to click the link I provided and call ahead to whichever church you’d like to attend.
Feel free to message me with any questions about Israel, more generally.
There are numerous Catholic Churches in Jersualem. Opus Dei also appears to run apostolic activities in Jerusalem. There are also Masses in Jaffa (a historic neighborhood in what is now south Tel Aviv). If you plan on visiting Tel Aviv/Jaffa, I would advise you to check out those chuches and Jaffa if only for the historic value. One of the churches there serves an extraordinarily diverse population. Israel is a very diverse country, with people from all over the world (many of whom are not even Jewish).
Keep in mind, too, that Sunday is a normal workday in Israel. Many churches still hold Sunday morning Mass–in fact, most on the list I have given you look like they have Mass in the morning, but there might be some that hold Mass only (or also) in the evening… I would advise you to click the link I provided and call ahead to whichever church you’d like to attend.
Feel free to message me with any questions about Israel, more generally.
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