Mass Leaflets?

[lucusk]

If this isn’t posted in the correct area, mea culpa… Does anyone know if there is a program or online service that would allow our parish to print Mass leaflets? We would really like to have missals (expensive and haven’t had them for years), and are looking at alternative ways to have the order of mass, the readings, the psalm, the gospel, and the responses in a leaflet. Does such a thing exist?

 

[Gorgias]

Hmm… I’m just wondering whether the costs of printing leaflets would be feasible, as compared to getting missals or missalettes? That would include (at the very least) the cost of paper, copying, and time to print/assemble/place/remove.

It would all depend on the number of copies, of course, but my gut feel is that doing it that way wouldn’t make sense, from a cost and effort perspective…

 

[Corki]

I used to attend a parish that had the readings printed in the bulletin. it was one page of the regular bulletin fare (announcements, events, etc.) and the other side was the readings and a commentary on a portion of the Catechism.

Something like that could be cost effective, especially if paired with a more durable flyer with the order of the Mass that could be used from several weeks or months.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

I used to attend a parish that had the readings printed in the bulletin. it was one page of the regular bulletin fare (announcements, events, etc.) and the other side was the readings and a commentary on a portion of the Catechism.

Something like that could be cost effective, especially if paired with a more durable flyer with the order of the Mass that could be used from several weeks or months.

Great idea. Reading this thread makes me realize that I have no idea how much missalettes cost.

 

[peter26]

I am part of an ordinariate group that meets at a regular diocesan parish. I attend both parish and ordinariate Masses. The parish uses Mass books, which are paperback books a few hundred pages long with the readings and propers for Sundays and solemnities. The Ordinariate print a pewsheet with the readings on, but this is expensive and time consuming to do every week and we are considering simply buying some Bibles. I know of another parish that buys pre-printed Mass sheets with the readings.

 

[Phemie]

Great idea. Reading this thread makes me realize that I have no idea how much missalettes cost.

It all depends on what you use. Some parishes use an annual book like Breaking Bread which contains the Ordinary of the Mass plus Sunday readings. The costs are listed here for 50+ copies
Breaking Bread – $4.89
Breaking Bread with Readings – $4.96
Breaking with Daily Mass Propers – $5.40

Our parish stopped buying the weekly “Living with Christ” years ago and started ordering the annual Novalis “Sunday Missal” which we offer to parishioners at the cover price, saving them the cost of shipping.

Some parishes, like ours, provide a monthly “Living with Christ” that features all the readings (daily & Sunday) for a month at a time. That presently cost $27.62/year per copy when you purchase between 50-249.copies. We order in 6 copies of this one (at a cost of $37+ per year per copy) for those few parishioners who attend daily Mass and don’t have their own subscription.

It’s not cheap but as I understand the Lectionaries are copyrighted so reproducing the readings for weekly consumption is not legal without permission being granted. The amount of money you would spend on paper, ink, and mostly TIME spent on task is not really worth it in my opinion.

 

[FrDavid96]

Granted, this doesn’t actually answer the question, but it does address the issue…

Have you looked at the annual missals by Catholic Book Publishing?

These Sunday Missals are less than $2 each. Even the shipping is free if the total purchase is $50.

catholicbookpublishing.com/products/1050

They have all the Mass propers and readings for every Sunday of the liturgical year.

 

[Marysann]

Our parish does print something like what you are describing for Sunday and holy day Masses. They have obtained the appropriate permissions to avoid breaking copyright laws. They don’t use an on-line service, the parish secretary prepares them each week. The parish has been doing this for years through the administrations of more than one pastor. They are convenient, and the ones for special feasts are beautiful, but it is a lot of work. If you don’t want all of this work, you could just order something like what FrDavid96 suggested.

 

[lucusk]

Thanks for the insight and resources! The Missal’s they had looked at in the past were hardback ones, and you had to purchase a set for years A, B, and C. We would need 200 and the cost was around $30 per set. If there was some sort of software to put it all together and make them easy to print, our cost to print these would be less than a penny per leaflet. I happen to program on the side, so making something like this might be a good gift of my time and talent. I’ll pass on the Breaking Bread and CatholicPublishing.com options.

I appreciate it!

 

[zab]

Thanks for the insight and resources! The Missal’s they had looked at in the past were hardback ones, and you had to purchase a set for years A, B, and C. We would need 200 and the cost was around $30 per set. If there was some sort of software to put it all together and make them easy to print, our cost to print these would be less than a penny per leaflet. I happen to program on the side, so making something like this might be a good gift of my time and talent. I’ll pass on the Breaking Bread and CatholicPublishing.com options.

I appreciate it!

The hardback set that you described is reusable year after year. The other paperback missal is an annual missal that would have to be replaced every year. And being a soft cover, more likely to get damaged. One suggestion is to ask everyone to donate $30 (or more) to purchase missals for your church. That is how we did it.

 

[Phemie]

The hardback set that you described is reusable year after year. The other paperback missal is an annual missal that would have to be replaced every year. And being a soft cover, more likely to get damaged. One suggestion is to ask everyone to donate $30 (or more) to purchase missals for your church. That is how we did it.

We did the same to fund our hymnal purchases. If they wished we added a "Donated by _________ in memory of ____________ " label inside.

 

[ProVobis]

Thanks for the insight and resources! The Missal’s they had looked at in the past were hardback ones, and you had to purchase a set for years A, B, and C. We would need 200 and the cost was around $30 per set. If there was some sort of software to put it all together and make them easy to print, our cost to print these would be less than a penny per leaflet. I happen to program on the side, so making something like this might be a good gift of my time and talent. I’ll pass on the Breaking Bread and CatholicPublishing.com options.

I appreciate it!

No matter how you do it, the translators need to be paid.

 

[Bran_Stark]

No matter how you do it, the translators need to be paid.

It strikes me as more than slightly problematic to consider a Bible translation (especially a Bible translation used in the official Liturgy of the Church) according to ordinary secular business models. Yes, by all means, the translators should be decently rewarded for their efforts, but they don’t necessarily need to stuff their pockets with cash every time a church prints out the lectionary readings.

 

[Corki]

It strikes me as more than slightly problematic to consider a Bible translation (especially a Bible translation used in the official Liturgy of the Church) according to ordinary secular business models. Yes, by all means, the translators should be decently rewarded for their efforts, but they don’t necessarily need to stuff their pockets with cash every time a church prints out the lectionary readings.

You can get an unlimited use permission to use copyright protected material. It’s not necessary to have a “pay per use” model. The copyright is not just a means to compensate those who produced the translation. It is also protection against unauthorized changes or edits. The latter is a serious concern for the Church.

 

[ProVobis]

It strikes me as more than slightly problematic to consider a Bible translation (especially a Bible translation used in the official Liturgy of the Church) according to ordinary secular business models. Yes, by all means, the translators should be decently rewarded for their efforts, but they don’t necessarily need to stuff their pockets with cash every time a church prints out the lectionary readings.

To be fair, the ICEL does provide a little leeway in this.

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**Royalties

Publications subject to royalties

Any publication produced for sale which contains ICEL translations is subject to a royalty or flat fee. Publications included are books, booklets, pamphlets, cards, diskettes, CD, and other electronic media used for liturgical celebrations or popular participation. Other publications containing ICEL texts but not for use during liturgical celebrations, such as textbooks, commentaries, religious education books and materials, private prayerbooks, recordings, etc. may be assessed a royalty or flat fee.

Publications not subject to royalties

No royalty is charged for reprinting ICEL translations in a publication for use at a specific Mass or celebration of an individual congregation or institution, for example: convention program booklets, jubilee Masses, ordinations, baptisms, first communions, confirmations, funerals, weddings, etc., provided that the following conditions are met:

a. the publication is not produced by a publishing firm;

b. the publication is not sold;

c. the appropriate copyright notice appears on the cover, inside cover, or title page;

d. the official editions of the texts are followed exactly.

more at

icelweb.org/copyright.htm**

Phemie, your point as to the exactness of the translation is spot on.