Masturbation again and again....

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If anybody is serious about doing this, I strongly recommend speaking to a priest first (for the theological implications), then speak to a Catholic doctor.
It occurs to me if this method of dealing with masturbation is acceptable - the drug was deliberately asked for in order to reduce libido and the temptation to masturbate - hey, why not just go into a coma for 90 years and live a totally sin free life 🤷

Sarah x 🙂
 
It occurs to me if this method of dealing with masturbation is acceptable - the drug was deliberately asked for in order to reduce libido and the temptation to masturbate - hey, why not just go into a coma for 90 years and live a totally sin free life 🤷

Sarah x 🙂
^common sense^
 
So, the Catholic Church has some sort of conspiracy against masturbation, something that doesn’t directly affect anybody but the one who does it? And what would be their motive?

BTW, masturbation as a sin is Biblical. In the Sermon On The Mount, Jesus says that he who lusts is sinful, and that if your eye and hand causes you to sin, to discard them. The eye fits with standard issue lust and “checking people out”. Now, what kind of sin is commited using a hand while lusting?
Just about any kind of lust.
 
It occurs to me if this method of dealing with masturbation is acceptable - the drug was deliberately asked for in order to reduce libido and the temptation to masturbate - hey, why not just go into a coma for 90 years and live a totally sin free life 🤷

Sarah x 🙂
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This thread scares me. What actually scares me more, is that there are people on these forums that will read the above, and probably wish they actually could!

Our sexuality is a gift. It’s one of the most wonderful things a human can experience. Yeah, masturbation may not be “right”, but to even think about taking a drug to reduce a very, very normal urge simply boggles my mind. Scares me even.

As a few others have said. If someone really has that inclination. Get off these forums, and get to a doctor FAST. A good psychiatrist is probably what is needed more than anything.
 
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This thread scares me. What actually scares me more, is that there are people on these forums that will read the above, and probably wish they actually could!

Our sexuality is a gift. It’s one of the most wonderful things a human can experience. Yeah, masturbation may not be “right”, but to even think about taking a drug to reduce a very, very normal urge simply boggles my mind. Scares me even.

As a few others have said. If someone really has that inclination. Get off these forums, and get to a doctor FAST. A good psychiatrist is probably what is needed more than anything.
You’re correct. To take medication for your sexual addictions is just a means of suppressing your sin. It’s still there, but just covered up, not really cured.
 
You’re correct. To take medication for your sexual addictions is just a means of suppressing your sin. It’s still there, but just covered up, not really cured.
I think that is true. What happens if you go off the drug? Everything will come back- and worse. Scripture mentions that when a demon is expelled from a person, he will do anything to go back. In fact, he will bring back seven others to reclaim it. That will be a disaster to anyone who is trying to stay on the straight path.
 
You’re correct. To take medication for your sexual addictions is just a means of suppressing your sin. It’s still there, but just covered up, not really cured.
Origen had himself castrated based on Matthew 19:12. Was that because of masturbation or for more serious sexual sin like actual Fornication and Adultery ?
 
You’re correct. To take medication for your sexual addictions is just a means of suppressing your sin. It’s still there, but just covered up, not really cured.
This is modern medicine in the nutshell. Treat the symptom, not the cause.
 
OP, I am so sorry that you have received such astonishingly bad advice! :mad:

Look, your moral character is determined by the strength of your habits. These are repeated behaviors which are either healthy things that elevate your body, mind and spirit toward perfection, or unhealthy things that cast you down into ruin. Masturbation is one of the latter, ruinous things.

You’re not going to overcome it by just disagreeing with it strongly. You already disagree with it! You can’t just think it away.

Please accept this practical advice: when you become tempted (you will know the feeling coming on) then quit whatever you are doing and go outside. Take a breath of air and look around you at the sky and the terrain. Really look at it. This is reality, not a phantom of your mind. Then, when you are firmly footed upon planet Earth once again, feeling the currents of air over your skin and hearing the sounds of the birds (or cars, depending on where you live), then you need to elevate your mind. I suggest listening to something like Allegri’s Miserere or some similar piece of sublime music (NOT rock, country, etc.). Listen to something that is ethereal and upward reaching. Or, if you do not have a portable music device, then read a passage from a collection of your favorite uplifting poetry (NOT Ovid, Catullus, etc.). You must read something fine, though it need not be religious.

This is “pressing the reset button” for your consciousness. Do this without fail and you will break the habit.
 
Sometimes when you travel and have no running water, then it is not so fun to get an nightly emission. It gets sticky and you smell.
So it gets tempting to start masturbating sometimes when it feels that you could have emissed the semen in a more clean way than on your body and clothes.
 
It happened again. It started out as a torturous headache filled with foul, lustful thoughts. Every vein in my body was pumping a mile a minute. Satan had me in his grasp. I became weak and broken. I gave in to mortal sin again. I have done this so many times.

Masturbation is my achilles heel. Every time I try to stop it just hits back harder leaving me in a spiral of depression, knowing that I have hurt my Lord. I started to withhold from masturbation for probably 3 months now. The longest I can go without is 3 weeks. I have prayed every day to our Lady and our Father over and over to free me of my sexual temptations, yet I fall.

It’s the most immature and stupidest thing anybody could get themselves tangled in. I just want it to be over. I want the lust to go away, the urge to be decimated, and the sensations to be destroyed. I want it all to go away. God should crush me right now, because I clearly will never learn and will keep on sinning against him. I’m afraid I will be cast into the fires of hell for what I’ve done.

I would literally give anything to prevent me from committing this stupid mortal sin. I feel hopeless and further from God. I want to be with him, but I cant and at times I think I never will be able to be with me. I am an awful sinner. I fall so many times even though I have the strength to press on. I have fallen to this sin 4 or 5 times after realizing it was of grave matter. Of course I’ll go to confession for this, but I bet I will end up in the same position I am in now a few weeks later. God save me.
You are bright, articulate and your attitude is right. Don’t be too hard on yourself. Yes, it is sin, but you can get the victory. Find other activities at those times. Pray, read, soft music, etc. Divert yourself mentally. I have been there too. You cannot sin and win, but by God’s grace you can bet this. You are in my prayers.
 
The big M can’t be solved by popping a pill. Believe me, I’ve been on Lexapro, an SSRI, for depression for five years and while my baser appetites are toned down, I still experience the temptation to do it. Masturbation is mostly a self-comfort mechanism so its more of a mental thing than a biological thing (not trying to suggest mind-body dualism here so please don’t open up that can of worms).
 
It’s a terrible struggle. I recall one of the Eastern monastic saints, kept vigils sitting in a chair with his hair tied to a beam in his cell, preventing him from sleeping (Eastern monk == long hair, unlike the short haired Western variety, they sound like cats 🙂 ; anyway, this monk, who is one of our major monastic saints, possibly a desert father, eventually overcame all lustful passion in this manner. But most of us aren’t worthy of being able to fight such a battle, nor in a place where we could even do it.

But I do think monks have the answers on this. In the Catholic Church I would suggest asking a Dominican Friar, assuming they still live in open dormitories as they did according to Thomas Merton in the Seven Storey Mountain. But monastics in general, especially those who are alone much of the time, like hermits or Cathusians, do have to win this battle and most of them do. My understanding is the severe fasting helps to weaken the body and disable the reproductive system to a large extent.

There are occasional cheaters though. Elder Panteilmon of the Holy Transfiguration Monastery left ROCOR and took his monastery and several churches with him after the Russian church received reports of his abusing his monks in this manner and ordered him to undergo a canonical inquiry. His own denomination, which is run by another monk also so accused, recently experienced a dramatic schism when another wave of more incontrovertible accusations came to light. But this is still shocking for Orthodox in North America because although his denomination, HOCNA, was uncanonical, his monastery publishes many of the most widely read prayer books and service books in the English language used by Orhodox following the Greek tradition. I myself nearly bought their Prayerbook before settling on the one from Holy Trinity Jordanville. As an aside the Ruthenian Catholics compiled an Enflish language translation of the liturgy which we use a lot, so these service books do help bridge the Great Schism.

Now there is an Orthodox Saint, John the Faster, who is included in our collection of canon law, the Pedalion, which was compiled by St. Nicodemus of Mount Athos in the 18th century; the canons all predate the great schism however and date from the first Millenium. So unlike your Canon Law or even the Nomoncanon of the Coptic and Assyrian churches which date from around 700 years ago, these canons do not cover a lot of situations and are exceedingly harsh. So the penalties are invariably reduced or waived, and modern bishops have a lot of work to do when a novel situation arises. The penance for masturbation though applied by John the Faster might be enough to stop it: 40 days excommunication and xerophagy with 270 daily prostrations. Xerophagy means no hot meals, no oil, no wine, no meat (except shellfish and caviar, due to a quirk in the letter of the law, but one who is seriously observing it should pass on both) and of course no eggs or dairy products. So basically bread, fruit and vegetables.

Now no Orthodox priest I can think of would impose this penalty; most I’ve met don’t impose penancees at all but simply place their epitrachelion over your head and say the absolution, and offer some words of advise or comfort. But it might be worth self imposing John the Fasters approach if ones doctor agrees with the diet, and ones health permits. On he other hand many theologians including St. Nicodemus, who was one of the earliest proponents of frequent communion in recent times in the Eastern Orthodox Church (where like Rome, most people only took Communion a few times a year) would argue that weekly or even daily partaking of the Eucharist might aid such a struggle. Anyone should get clearance from their priest before trying anything like this.

But with the Great Lent approaching now is a time to work on this passion which affects so many of us in our youth before marriage or defeat of the passion by the mercy of old age, or at a younger age through ascetic struggle, which is perhaps the most virtuous path.
 
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