Maybe this is a stretch, but.... John 6:66

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666 is supposedly the mark of the beast.

I know I am stretching this and there are reasons 666 is the number.

That said, it’s interesting what John 6:66 says: “From that moment many of His disciples turned back and no longer accompanied Him.”

This happens immediately after Jesus teaches about the Real Presence.
 
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666 is supposedly the mark of the beast.

I know I am stretching this and there are reasons 666 is the number.

That said, it’s interesting what John 6:66 says: “From that moment many of His disciples turned back and no longer accompanied Him.”

This happens immediately after Jesus teaches about the Real Presence.
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I don’t use that one unless they start with the Pope is the anti-christ or the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon nonsense. But it does seem “coincidental” doesn’t it.😉
 
It’s fun to use for kicks, but not in any serious way. Verse numbers were applied centuries later.
 
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adventistnomore:
It’s fun to use for kicks, but not in any serious way. Verse numbers were applied centuries later.
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Absolutely correct. People make arguements all the time, though, for different things being the “mark,” from the Pope to barcods on your cheetos. Just like verse numbers, these came about long after Revelation was written.

I’d agree with thessalonian.
 
How about Psalm 77:7?
I havent looked it up yet, but it was the only book I could think of with at least 77 chapters or verses.
 
Another fun one if you have ever seen the arguement (I haven’t in a long time) is where they will claim that the central verse in the Bible is:

*Psalms 118:8 (NKJV) "It is better to trust in the LORD *
  • than to put confidence in man."
They try to use this to say we shouldn’t follow popes or the Church.

Well what is funny is that a man (man is symbolicially represented as 6 in scripture) removed 6 books from the Bible which had 73 books. (Seven represents perfection and God and three the trinity) and ended up with 66 books. So we have a man (6) creating a Bible with 66 books and the central verse then becomes “trust in the Lord rather than put confindence in man”. That is the men who separated the books.:D:dancing::clapping::bounce: :tiphat:

This can be fun if they want to get in to the mud. :rotlol:
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thessalonian:
Another fun one if you have ever seen the arguement (I haven’t in a long time) is where they will claim that the central verse in the Bible is:

*Psalms 118:8 (NKJV) "It is better to trust in the LORD *
  • than to put confidence in man."
They try to use this to say we shouldn’t follow popes or the Church.

Well what is funny is that a man (man is symbolicially represented as 6 in scripture) removed 6 books from the Bible which had 73 books. (Seven represents perfection and God and three the trinity) and ended up with 66 books. So we have a man (6) creating a Bible with 66 books and the central verse then becomes “trust in the Lord rather than put confindence in man”. That is the men who separated the books.:D:dancing::clapping::bounce: :tiphat:

This can be fun if they want to get in to the mud. :rotlol:
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They love this too, but unfortunately it applies only after THEY removed the 7 deuterocanonical books and the Greek passages from Esther and Daniel.
 
What a coincidence!! :clapping:
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adventistnomore:
It’s fun to use for kicks, but not in any serious way. Verse numbers were applied centuries later.
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When did they add the verse numbers and who gave them the authority to do so and why?
Thanks!!!
 
The verse numbers don’t change anything, they just serve as a way of locating things.

Some monk went through and divided all the Scriptures into chapters and verses so that if somebody wanted to talk about John 3:16, they’d know how to tell somebody where to look it up. Somebody can probably give you his name.

After that everybody adopted the numbers, so that anybody could point anything out to anyone and be able to tell them where to go.

This is important to remember when reading the Bible, so you don’t make the mistake of thinking that Romans chapter 2 and Romans chapter 3 (just to give an example) are about two different things. It was all just one huge letter when it was written. The chapters are just to make it more easy to refer to. The monk did in many cases try to set up the chapters so that similar ideas would be kept in the same chapters, but if one idea was written about for a long time, then the monk had no choice but to spread it over a few chapters so they didn’t get too long.
 
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How about Psalm 77:7?
I havent looked it up yet, but it was the only book I could think of with at least 77 chapters or verses.
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Along these lines …

Isaiah 66:6 - “A sound of roaring from the city, a sound from the temple, the sound of the LORD repaying his enemies their deserts!”

Psalm 77:7 - “… I remember. In the night I meditate in my heart; I ponder and my spirit broods.”

Psalm 66:6 - “He changed the sea to dry land. Through the river they passed on foot.”

I don’t think you will get much mileage out of these.
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Actually it was 7 books that man (Luther) removed.
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Actually Luther deleted 11+ books. Others put some back in and later took some back out(long story). Luther was trying to delete even more books when he lost his following and status (when the nobilty was done using him as a puppet to steal the wealth and power from the Church and keep it for themselfs - the real reason for the reformation was power and money not theology.)

Anyway, 73 - 66 = 7 (I think. At least for Catholics it does). Adding the verses Protestant publishers and kings and money makers took out too would leave us with 7+ books most modern Protestant Bibles are missing.

Anyway, I bet most antiCatholics would fall for that 6 books in Jn 6 verse 66 story since many I’ve talked to don’t seem to look for truth in stories if they sound good.
 
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thessalonian:
Another fun one if you have ever seen the arguement (I haven’t in a long time) is where they will claim that the central verse in the Bible is:

*Psalms 118:8 (NKJV) “It is better to trust in the LORD *
*than to put confidence in man.” *

They try to use this to say we shouldn’t follow popes or the Church.
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It must be true!

The protestant Bible has 1189 chapters. The middle chapter of these is Psalm 118. The chapter before this is the shortest in the Bible. The chapter after this is the longest in the Bible.

Adding up the chapters before and after the psalm, there are 1188.

Psalm 118:8 and 118:9 say the same thing. [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

So it MUST be true.

Not only that Isaiah has 66 chapters. There is a natural division after chapter 39. This gives us the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 of the New Testament.

The central chapter of the New Testament section is chapter 53. The central verses of that chapter read " But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." This is a beautiful summation of the gospel.

So the Bible MUST have 66 books mustn’t it?

Of course, I don’t take any of this seriously. 😃

And there’s something wrong with Ps118 being the middle chapter of the Protestant Bible. That something is that it ISN’T the middle (595th) chapter. Psalm 117 is. I didn’t realise this until 5 minutes ago, having heard the Ps118 nonsense frequently. But here’s the details (I’ve checked them - they’re correct) on the website of an interesting organization:

prayerfoundation.org/not_center_verse_of_bible_118_8.htm

As for the middle verse, different places say it is either in Ps103 or Ps118. I haven’t counted! But this person has done his homework thoroughly on the subject:

biblebelievers.com/believers-org/kjv-stats.html
 
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adventistnomore:
It’s fun to use for kicks, but not in any serious way. Verse numbers were applied centuries later.
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Thank you. This sheds great light. I had forgotten that the verse numbers where applied so long after Jesus actual words were spoken or the words written down.
 
Also, I think that Robert Stephens, who did the chapter and verse for the New Testament in the 1500’s also is the one who divided up all of Plato’s work (or rather, published a book in which the page number and line later became authoratative.) So, to this day, when you see Plato’s Socratic dialogs quoted it is referenced by the Stephanus Number.

I find it interesting that both Plato and the New Testament were numbered by the same person and they both still use his numbering 500 years later. (And that both concern a Man unjustly condemed to death)

Any classicists on the board? They can correct me about the Stephanus numbers.

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Liberian:
Along these lines …
Isaiah 66:6 -
Psalm 77:7 -
Psalm 66:6 -
I don’t think you will get much mileage out of these.
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Too bad. I shouldnt have had my hopes set so high.
 
Actually, Zwingli took out the Deuterocanonicals, and Luther took out four NT books (as memory serves, James, Revelation, Hebrews, 2 Peter)
 
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Actually, Zwingli took out the Deuterocanonicals, and Luther took out four NT books (as memory serves, James, Revelation, Hebrews, 2 Peter)
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My source showed almost the same (not recognized by Luther):
Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation.
 
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