Men can't talk about abortion etc

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You started with the right statements but I disagree with the rest. Abortion is not a woman’s medical issue and it is a falsity to say that both from a moral and a scientific point of view. The fact that it is legal and thus she alone has the right to make that decision is another very weak point from an intellectual aspect as long as father is being held accountable for the support of the child once a baby is born. The point is that evil and stupidity reign supreme when it comes to abortion. Just to make sure that things are clear, I am not accusing you of stupidity, I am simply saying that stupidity is accepted socially to make justifications for abortion and abortion “rights”.
You’re totally within your rights to disagree with me, and have your own thoughts. The OP asked for our take on it. I gave mine, and you gave yours.

I will go further and say that the man gets what he gets when he sleeps with someone who is not his wife. Of course, things get more complicated when the pregnant woman is his wife and there are medical issues involved. But again, it is my belief that her medical decisions should be trumped by no one. It’s okay that you disagree with me.
 
My opinion: The woman’s right to abort ends where the child’s right begins. I’m 100% against abortion. Human life begins at conception, a human heart beats around 4 weeks in the womb. Is it ever ok to kill another human? No. I believe that only God is the giver and taker of human life. period.

Thank you for your responses.

God Bless
 
See Old Testament when the Jews sacrificed their first born to Molek by immolation rather than consecrating them to God - God came on them with a vengance.
 
Yes.

Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord. “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord. (Lev. 19:16-19).

Vengeance belongs to God alone. Only he can judge us.
 
There is a simple response to that that shows how silly and absurd that is:

The next time someone says that, ask them if they have an opinion about something like murder (Or, if you would prefer, grand theft auto, or something similar). If they answer in the affirmative, ask them if they have ever committed a murder (or grand theft auto, etc.). If they respond negatively, ask them why they have an opinion, since according to the “Only women can have opinions about abortion” logic, only murderers (or thieves) can have opinions about murder (or theft).

It’s silly because it presumes that only a person that can or has experiences something morally questionable can judge it as being right or wrong, i.e. “Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it”. This is utterly absurd.
I agree. Men are still capable of ethical reasoning, no? (edwest, are you paying attention? We actually agree on something! :D)

The (valid) reason that people consider experience important when making decisions (including ethical ones), is that when you have a certain experience, it can reframe your understanding of the ethical issues involved. For example, many people think it’s wrong to use a leash for your child (or one of those cute backpacks disguised as leashes), but they have no real answer for what to do when you are 6 months pregnant with a 2-year-old who likes to dart out into parking lots and you already strained your groin muscles lunging after them once and those muscles never did end up healing until after you gave birth …

My point is that in many cases experience has a way of revealing what the true ethical issues are. In the leash example above, the true ethical issue is the safety of the child and the health of the pregnant mom (rather than the issue as it appears to non-parents of the appearance of demeaning a child who truly doesn’t care one way or the other whether they are wearing a leash).

However, in other cases, experience is irrelevant. No amount of experience changes the fundamental nature of the evil that abortion is, just like no amount of experience changes the fundamental nature of the evil that genocide is, just like no amount of experience changes the fundamental nature of the evil that rape is. I trust my point is clear.
Just remember, the average abortion supporter hasn’t really considered what it is they’re supporting, they’re just paying lip service to the same tired rhetoric they see on the leftist televsion shows and MTV.
This is certainly true. This happens a lot with a particular highschooler on my Facebook (she’s a lesbian who is pro-gay marriage, but also pro-life in every sense of the word, including pro-animal rights). She will post some picture or link and get ganged up on by all the other high schoolers, telling her she doesn’t know what she’s talking about (when in fact, if that’s the case, they don’t know what they are talking about either). I particularly enjoy swooping in and coming to her defense. Once I join the conversation, no one on the opposing side really has anything to say to me.
I will go further and say that the man gets what he gets when he sleeps with someone who is not his wife.
This I will agree with. Ironically, in many cases it’s the guy who wants to use a woman for sex who suddenly freaks out when there’s something about the process (i.e. her choice to use him right back or her pregnancy in this case) that he doesn’t control.

I would argue that the child itself is (or should be) an independent consideration, but I already know what your opinion is.
 
the abortion has a great emotional impact on men from what ive heard from catholicvote.com and lifesitenews it can hurt and depress the men as much as women.

Shalom

God Bless
 
Men have every right to speak up about abortion. They have every right to speak out against the brutal murder of their own children.
 
A great response to this statement is to ask the person in question what they think of slavery, or the holocaust, or even the genocide in Rwanda. They will almost always make the argument that those things are wrong and rightly so. But the questions is, did they own slaves, were Nazi’s or living in Rwanda. Most likely they will say no. They feel free to make judgments on these issue in which they have no personal experience with but tell us men that we have to keep our mouths shut when it comes to abortion
 
It is important for men to realize that they have no “reproductive rights” under the law. For those of us who do not want to be an accessory to murder, it helps us to live in chastity.
 
Ok, this one REALLY bugs me. I hear some pro-choicers/abortionists say something like “When a child is conceived, the father gives up all his rights until the child is born”,

The one that upset/irritated me the most is “Abortion is not a moral issue. [enter anti-catholic rant here which i will NOT repeat], it’s about the choice a woman makes, if you disagree, you’re a bigot”.

I try to stay out of abortion topics on fb as much as possible because I think it will be an occasion of sin for me to become very upset with some people.

What is your take on this?
I was taught that every Right has Responsibility. If one has a right to drive a car then one has the responsibilty for the results. One cannot expect to drive knowing the risk that they can cause a fatal accident and then demand they not be held accountable. If one has a right to sex then one also has responsibility for the results. One should be held accountable for the new life that resulted from sex. The man and woman made the baby. They both are responsible. With responsibilty they both have rights.

Abortion is a moral issue. A moral choice turns on the right or wrong of that choice. By what OBJECTIVE Standard do we decide right and wrong? Is 2 + 2 to be 5 because I like that answer? Or should the answer be 3 because that is all I can handle? Is right and wrong to be determined solely on what I think? I think I should not be held accountable for the car accident that injured you. Is that right?

What is missing in the debate is acknoweldgement by the pro-choicers that life does begin at conception. Yes, that new life is totally dependent on the mother. And the mother should be dependent on the father. To throw the father out is to be put too much on the mother.

What’s missing in the debate is acknowledgement by the pro-choicers that sex is an act of love. Society has wrongly taught that sex is an act of lust, divorced from love. When a man and a woman love as they should, new life from their sex is accepted as a good thing, not a bad thing.

If the legal (society’s moral) standard is “I can’t be bothered with the results of my actions” then why not excuse everyone from the results of their actions? Do away with child support. Do away with car insurance.

As to anger: Anger certainly is a motivator to take action. But action is taken to achieve a result. How best can I motivate others to change their behavior? Will a constant display of anger work well?

If I cannot control my anger, how can I expect others to control their urge to abort?

How often did Christ show anger? Once, that I know of. And then only for defiling God’s House, not for other human weakness and sin. It is about love and forgivness, not about a constant show of anger.
 
Men can have opinions and it would be for the best if the couples decide together, but ultimately the woman’s decision should prevail. It is she who carries the baby for nine months and subjects herself to the serious risks, sometimes life-threatening, involved in pregnancy and this is why her opinion deserves special status. This is why it’s considered primarily a woman’s issue. My older brother almost killed my mother when he was born; he was over 10lbs and there were many complications. You can’t discuss this matter as though men and women are arguing from the same vantage point and as though they are both pregnant together,
 
Men can have opinions and it would be for the best if the couples decide together, but ultimately the woman’s decision should prevail. It is she who carries the baby for nine months and subjects herself to the serious risks, sometimes life-threatening, involved in pregnancy and this is why her opinion deserves special status. This is why it’s considered primarily a woman’s issue. My older brother almost killed my mother when he was born; he was over 10lbs and there were many complications. You can’t discuss this matter as though men and women are arguing from the same vantage point and as though they are both pregnant together,
And yet, your brother was born. Was he given a choice in the matter? Did it not involve him because he’s male? Should he think “Well, if my mother had killed me, it would have been all right. It wouldn’t have affected me.”?

Of course it’s also a male issue. Boys die in abortions just as often as girls do, though I guess now that “gender selection” is becoming a vogue, perhaps a bit less so, because it’s usually the girls who are killed.
 
For me it is a ridiculous argument. If women get all of the rights, why don’t the baby girls in the womb have rights? We’re all about women’s rights in this country, not to mention being able to control your future; why does it not apply to the women in the womb? Do they not have a say in their future and rights? What about the men who will have same-sex attraction? Apparently you can get a surgery and “change” your sex, thus making them women. So, it’s settled: All women and men with same-sex attraction get to live. Straight men get to die, since after all the secularists are about fairness and rights to everyone in this country. :rolleyes:
 
If men can’t talk about abortion, then women better shut up about same sex marriage… seeing as the overwhelming majority of gays are men.
 
. But every man’s rights end where a woman’s rights begin: that is, no one (even a man) should have the right to trump a woman’s medical decisions, especially when her health is being affected, and regardless of whether she’s pregnant or not. People can deny it as much as they like, but the fact is, abortion is a woman’s medical issue, and as long as it’s legal, she alone has the right to make those decisions.
The law does not dictate morality.
Abortion is an evil, and must be opposed.
 
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