Mental Illness?

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I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection
How do I get this person help? I have been praying for a long time. Do these symptoms seem problematic, or am I imagining things? How do you get help for someone who will not acknowledge a problem exists? This person is close enough to me that it is having a significant impact on my life and my family.
 
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MamaGeek:
I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection
How do I get this person help? I have been praying for a long time. Do these symptoms seem problematic, or am I imagining things? How do you get help for someone who will not acknowledge a problem exists? This person is close enough to me that it is having a significant impact on my life and my family.
Lab Chick might be a good one to ask here… you could possibly IM her, or Email her through CA…
Good Luck…
 
Dear MamaGreek,

You have every reason to be concerned. People usually have one or two of these traits, but to have ALL of them is something to seek help with. This person is lucky to have you in their life, to be concerned for them like this.

I would say that the first step you could do is do a little research on the internet. Maybe look in your phone book for a mental illness hotline and talk to them about the situation. This person is probably tormented by their actions and how they feel.

I will say a prayer for them and for you…

Good luck,

MommyLeah
 
I’m sorry to hear about this…try looking up Obsessive-Compulsive disorder or Bipolar disorder. I have an aunt who is both and is also schizophrenic. She shows a lot of these signs, but I suspect she is probably worse (she’s been to an institution more than once).

I have mild O/C disorder. I hate changes even if a cup is placed in the plates cupboard, I’ll flip. I have to count things more than once because I feel I am always wrong. Everyone thought I was a overboard perfectionist, but nope. I try to avoid meds so somedays are worse than others.

Convince your relative to go to a doctor, just to be sure.
 
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MamaGeek:
I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection
How do I get this person help? I have been praying for a long time. Do these symptoms seem problematic, or am I imagining things? How do you get help for someone who will not acknowledge a problem exists? This person is close enough to me that it is having a significant impact on my life and my family.
I think the one that you need to watch carefully is the depression. The rest of these can just be corky personal traits that annoy others at times. But the depression can be life threatening, and this person may need to go and talk with someone. Try counseling before medicating. Medication may be the first thing the health professionals throw your way, but there are many side effects that are adverse. Counseling is a great alternative. If this person is religious, contact your church and find some recomended help. God bless you, and good luck.
 
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MamaGeek:
I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection
Sounds exactly like my ex-wife: clinical depression with schizophrenic tendencies. It usually starts in the early-mid 20’s and gets worse with age, sometimes developing into full-blown psychosis, as it did in my ex’s case. There is a strong genetic component.

Get him to a psychiatrist ASAP. This can be treated pretty successfully with medications. The sooner you get him on meds, the happier he will be, and the slower the condition will progress.

If he won’t get help voluntarily, you may be able to have your loved one committed for 72 hours for evaluation. This depends on your relationship. If it is a child or spouse you have the authority in most states. It is a very painful thing to do (I know, I’ve done it).

Your first resource should be your family physician, for initial referral to a competent psychiatrist (not psychologist). Talk therapy does *no good * for this condition until the underlying neurological/chemical problems are dealt with by medication.

God bless you,
Paul
 
If this person is an adult, he/she will have to seek help on his own. You can suggest that help might be available. You can provide access to resources. But legally, there is nothing you can do unless the person is a conspicuous danger to himself or others. Autonomy is the untouchable bedrock of medical ethics.
 
Pray for them, and fast to increase efficacy of your prayers for this person to see their need for medical help. Sounds like depression at a minimum. If not you, perhaps this person will listen to some else, or a consensus of persons. Have you expressed your concerns to other folks who can positively influence this person? Alot of doctor’s offices have pamphlets that assist people in identifying symptoms of depression in a user friendly manner. Their are other resources via a goggle search for screening and basic steps of seeking first treatment for depression.
 
Originally Posted by MamaGeek
I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection

Sounds like a person who has feelings, is sentimental, has extra energy and wants to have a clean home and body. I think the worst thing we can do in this society is to think any sign of idiosyncrasy needs a psychologist or psychiatrist. Do you folks know how warped the behavioral sciences are?
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Do you folks know how warped the behavioral sciences are?
But there is hope!! There are Catholic organizations for psychologists/ psychiatrists. Anyone ever hear of the Institute for Psychological Sciences (IPS)? It’s a grad school (and maybe PhD program) in northern VA that integrates psychology with Catholic teaching. They treat the whole person- spiritual and psychological. Awesome program and hope for the future of the profession. —KCT
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Originally Posted by MamaGeek
I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection

Sounds like a person who has feelings (depressed; only sullen and removed), is sentimental (difficulty throwing things out; extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection), has extra energy (blows things out of proportion; paces often; avoids social situations) and wants to have a clean home and body (germaphobic).* I think the worst thing we can do in this society is to think any sign of idiosyncrasy* needs a psychologist or psychiatrist. Do you folks know how warped the behavioral sciences are?
With friends this, who needs enemies? 😦
 
Sorry, Felra I don’t feel the need to get alarmed over people who have feelings or who are sentimental.
I must have hit a nerve, are you one of those "behavioral scientists’ who are out to conquer the human existance?
FRankly, I see psychologists and psychiartists as enemies.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Originally Posted by MamaGeek
I have a loved-one with some symptoms of concern. This person will not seek a professional diagnosis. These are the symptoms:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. paces often
  3. difficulty throwing things away
  4. avoids social situations
  5. procrastinates
  6. avoids change, even in small ways
  7. germaphobic
  8. often depressed
  9. blows things out of proportion
  10. rarely gets angry, only sullen and removed
  11. extreme difficulty talking about feelings, showing affection

Sounds like a person who has feelings, is sentimental, has extra energy and wants to have a clean home and body. I think the worst thing we can do in this society is to think any sign of idiosyncrasy needs a psychologist or psychiatrist. Do you folks know how warped the behavioral sciences are?
Hi Lily,
Gee I can recognize at least 5 of these symtoms in myself:bigyikes:
these would be:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. difficulty throwing things away
  3. procrastinates
  4. germaphobic
  5. blows things out of proportion
I wonder if I’m in need of help??? Annunciata :rolleyes:
 
Hi Lily,
Gee I can recognize at least 5 of these symtoms in myself
these would be:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. difficulty throwing things away
  3. procrastinates
  4. germaphobic
  5. blows things out of proportion
I wonder if I’m in need of help??? Annunciata

Exactly, Annunciata, those things describe myself as well. Should I run to the nearest shrink and sign up for therapy? :eek:
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Hi Lily,
Gee I can recognize at least 5 of these symtoms in myself
these would be:
  1. difficulty making decisions
  2. difficulty throwing things away
  3. procrastinates
  4. germaphobic
  5. blows things out of proportion
I wonder if I’m in need of help??? Annunciata

Exactly, Annunciata, those things describe myself as well. Should I run to the nearest shrink and sign up for therapy? :eek:
You know Lily in the past I have had all kinds of therapy due to my Anxiety Disorder…some helped…I learned how to breathe correctly in a panic attack and I learned that I wasn’t crazy…🙂 Key thing here is I knew when I needed help, I didn’t need someone else to decide for me based upon what seemed to be so callled symptoms of mental illness. GB, Annunciata;)
 
Lily and Annunciata, I know you two don’t have much use for “behavioral sciences” or psychiatry, but could you please try to consider that maybe, just maybe, this person could benefit from both a physical and a psychiatric evaluation? I did see “depression” listed as one of the traits, did I not? If this is the case, the person definitely needs to see someone. Depression, in the medical sense, is not just “feeling down”–it is a specific cluster of symptoms which are multifactorial in nature, have a definitive time frame (i.e., consistent over at least two weeks), can persist, can recur, and may or may not respond to any given treatment–and needs real professional diagnosis. I do agree that just saying “depression” doesn’t necessarily indicate the person has actual clinical depression–it’s become one of those “catch-all” words, like “gentleman” or “Christian”, that means whatever the speaker wants it to mean.

I’m glad for you that you are secure and confident in your own physical and emotional health to be aware of your personal idiosyncracies. After all, any type of behavior is on a continuum. . .for example, energy can range from complete lack (catatonia) to cycling manic. Very few of us are at those two extremes, and most fall in or near a narrow “middle” range. To those on the “high” end of that “middle” range, a person on the “low” end can appear “lazy”; to those on the “low” end, a person on the “high” end can appear frenetic, while two people each relatively “high” or “low” find each other “normal”.

I think you two ought to consider that Mamageek is not saying that the person has always been this way. The fact that she enumerates areas of concern indicates to me that the person has, if you will, “moved” out of his or her usual area of the continuum.

My older daughter has always been on the “untidy” side in her room, for example, but meticulously tidy in her books and personal appearance. If she suddenly began to become less and less tidy in the latter, it would be indeed a concern that something “normal”–her room untidiness–had spread to become “abnormal”–her personal untidiness.

We all have personal idiosyncracies that we can handle more or less well. We all have “bad days” or “difficult periods” and most of us–and I think Mamageek seems to be a reasonably intelligent person–can distinguish between someone being a little “more” or “less” in her usual traits and somebody exhibiting new, prolonged, or spreading behavioral “quirks”.

And the reluctance to have a “professional” evaluation shows that the “stigma” of even “appearing” to consider that one might have “mental issues” is still in full force for too many people today.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Sorry, Felra I don’t feel the need to get alarmed over people who have feelings or who are sentimental.
I must have hit a nerve, are you one of those "behavioral scientists’ who are out to conquer the human existance?
FRankly, I see psychologists and psychiartists as enemies.
Does that make you psycho-phobic? You may want to see a doctor for that.😃

Therapy and meds(in some cases) are helpful to people with real pychological issues. But you have to be selective about where you get treatment, not all therapists are equal and some are just plain quacks.
 
Tantum ergo:
Lily and Annunciata, I know you two don’t have much use for “behavioral sciences” or psychiatry, but could you please try to consider that maybe, just maybe, this person could benefit from both a physical and a psychiatric evaluation? .
Tantum Ergo,
I never said that I didn’t have any use for psychiatry or behavioral sciences… I was merely pointing out that many of us fall into some of the categories that were mentioned and the question was “Mental Illness”.
I’ve suffered w/ Anxiety Disorder most of my adult life and received some excellent care from doctors and couselors and would never want to give the impression that I frowned on this treatment and I’m sorry if I gave that impression. Annunciata:)
 
Mea culpa if I sounded harsh, and God bless you, Annunciata, (and you too, Lily. . .we might have different ideas sometimes but I’m sure the important issues especially the faith ones have us standing hand-in-hand).
 
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