Mentality of its okay to be bad

[LethalMouse]

So there is a huge swatch of variances in how people have “issues”. From diagnosed disorders to iffy levels of undiagnosed tendencies.

But notably there is much much said about catering to people who can be at odds. “I have X issue, you have to work around MEEEE”

Or some such thing… Anyway a fairly relevant article in regards to when we have issues and feel entitled to be accepted for them in a warped sense:

huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/if-i-cant-accept-you-at-y_b_4673582.html

No. Your worst is your worst. Fix it. Be better. Nobody should have to put up with it. Least of all the people you love.

And sadly one only needs to skim the advices on here sometimes to see we hail people with issue as deserving of something all wrapped up in the guise of charitability and understanding and caring…Do you really deserve it? or should you fix you?

 

[ProdglArchitect]

So there is a huge swatch of variances in how people have “issues”. From diagnosed disorders to iffy levels of undiagnosed tendencies.

But notably there is much much said about catering to people who can be at odds. “I have X issue, you have to work around MEEEE”

Or some such thing… Anyway a fairly relevant article in regards to when we have issues and feel entitled to be accepted for them in a warped sense:

huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/if-i-cant-accept-you-at-y_b_4673582.html

And sadly one only needs to skim the advices on here sometimes to see we hail people with issue as deserving of something all wrapped up in the guise of charitability and understanding and caring…Do you really deserve it? or should you fix you?

This, to me, goes hand in hand with our culture’s refusal to call a delusion a delusion. “He’s a boy who think’s he’s a girl? No no, he’s not delusional, it’s just how he identifies. We shouldn’t do anything to try to correct this belief that is obviously out of touch with reality; instead, we should tell him that he really is a girl, and that his biology just got mixed up. Then, instead of pointing out that he has an x and a y chromosome, which makes him male, we should pump him full of hormones and mutilate his genitalia so that he can look the way he feels. I mean, obviously that’s what we should do, and above all else, we should NOT not get him counseling for believing something that is demonstrably untrue, it would be bigoted and intolerant to try to get him help that make his beliefs reflect reality…”

 

[pianistclare]

So there is a huge swatch of variances in how people have “issues”. From diagnosed disorders to iffy levels of undiagnosed tendencies.

But notably there is much much said about catering to people who can be at odds. “I have X issue, you have to work around MEEEE”

Or some such thing… Anyway a fairly relevant article in regards to when we have issues and feel entitled to be accepted for them in a warped sense:

huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/if-i-cant-accept-you-at-y_b_4673582.html

And sadly one only needs to skim the advices on here sometimes to see we hail people with issue as deserving of something all wrapped up in the guise of charitability and understanding and caring…Do you really deserve it? or should you fix you?

Yeah. I hear you.
We seem to be living in a flurry of
“If you don’t support the crazy you’re MEAN!”
“And all the other posters will pile on and say you’re MEAN!”
“Stop being so MEAN!”
“And obviously not Christian either, because you’re so MEAN!”
“Please don’t reply to my thread because you’re so MEAN!”

Kind of funny really.

 

[AnneElizabeth]

This, to me, goes hand in hand with our culture’s refusal to call a delusion a delusion. “He’s a boy who think’s he’s a girl? No no, he’s not delusional, it’s just how he identifies. We shouldn’t do anything to try to correct this belief that is obviously out of touch with reality; instead, we should tell him that he really is a girl, and that his biology just got mixed up. Then, instead of pointing out that he has an x and a y chromosome, which makes him male, we should pump him full of hormones and mutilate his genitalia so that he can look the way he feels. I mean, obviously that’s what we should do, and above all else, we should NOT not get him counseling for believing something that is demonstrably untrue, it would be bigoted and intolerant to try to get him help that make his beliefs reflect reality…”

I’m not sure if you notice the irony in you saying this- your example about trans people… the irony is this- if you had someone come up to you and say that your being catholic is a delusion and that your believing in God is a delusion you would not agree wit them. What is the difference between a trans person believing they are born the wrong sex and feel more comfortable being the opposite and your faith believes? Because BOTH are personal beliefs. There IS no difference and neither one of you has the right to bash the other! You really cannot… not without being a cruel hypocrite! Do onto others is the rule, right?

Turn the tables here… would you want an atheistic society to intervene in your faith beliefs, get you counseling, call you mentally ill because you feel more comfortable in believing in your religious faith? If you start arguing from this point as you make here, you become susceptible to this very behavior… and believe me, I’m sad to say, this sort of thing is coming for believers… They will treat you as you treated others.

Preach and let live… that is all we can do. its not for us to grab and change anyone. Each chooses. Jesus didn’t demand others to change, grab them and put them in counseling to brainwash their beliefs… No, He simply warned them and told them the truth. This is all we are instructed to do. Not control others. Each choose their path.

And yes… this is a problem of society! Each has their own beliefs! I’d say there is no real way of regulating any of that, except God’s laws of love which harbors trust.

 

[AnneElizabeth]

I’m not sure if you notice the irony in you saying this- your example about trans people… the irony is this- if you had someone come up to you and say that your being catholic is a delusion and that your believing in God is a delusion you would not agree wit them. What is the difference between a trans person believing they are born the wrong sex and feel more comfortable being the opposite and your faith believes? Because BOTH are personal beliefs. There IS no difference and neither one of you has the right to bash the other! You really cannot… not without being a cruel hypocrite! Do onto others is the rule, right?

Turn the tables here… would you want an atheistic society to intervene in your faith beliefs, get you counseling, call you mentally ill because you feel more comfortable in believing in your religious faith? If you start arguing from this point as you make here, you become susceptible to this very behavior… and believe me, I’m sad to say, this sort of thing is coming for believers… They will treat you as you treated others.

Preach and let live… that is all we can do. its not for us to grab and change anyone. Each chooses. Jesus didn’t demand others to change, grab them and put them in counseling to brainwash their beliefs… No, He simply warned them and told them the truth. This is all we are instructed to do. Not control others. Each choose their path.

And yes… this is a problem of society! Each has their own beliefs! I’d say there is no real way of regulating any of that, except God’s laws of love which harbors trust.

*** By the way, don’t take this as me supporting trans issues or waving their flag.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

I’m not sure if you notice the irony in you saying this- your example about trans people… the irony is this- if you had someone come up to you and say that your being catholic is a delusion and that your believing in God is a delusion you would not agree wit them. What is the difference between a trans person believing they are born the wrong sex and feel more comfortable being the opposite and your faith believes? Because BOTH are personal beliefs. There IS no difference and neither one of you has the right to bash the other! You really cannot… not without being a cruel hypocrite! Do onto others is the rule, right?

A delusion is something which is demonstrably untrue. If a man who is not Abraham Lincoln claims to be Abraham Lincoln, then that person is delusional. We know he is not Abraham Lincoln because Abraham Lincoln was killed well over a hundred years ago. If a man believes he is a bird, he is delusional. That belief stands opposed to the reality that the man is, in fact, a man.

Similarly, if a man believes he is a woman, that is a delusion. It is something which can be easily proven by a simple exploration of his biology or, even more reliably, by the makeup of his genetic code. If he has an x and a y chromosome, then he is a male. No amount of surgery or hormone “therapy” can change that.

The question about the existence of God is not something which falls into the category of delusion because it is not something which can be proven one way or another. People can present philosophical reasons for their position, and it is certainly possible to discern is a philosophical position is logical or not, but it cannot be proven in the same way a delusion can be proven to be false. As such, it is not appropriate to call either a religious person or an atheist delusional, regardless of your position on the subject.

Turn the tables here… would you want an atheistic society to intervene in your faith beliefs, get you counseling, call you mentally ill because you feel more comfortable in believing in your religious faith? If you start arguing from this point as you make here, you become susceptible to this very behavior… and believe me, I’m sad to say, this sort of thing is coming for believers… They will treat you as you treated others.

As noted above, this is not a position which is demonstrable in the same way a delusion can be proven to be false. The two things are not comparable.

Preach and let live… that is all we can do. its not for us to grab and change anyone.

Nonsense. This is uncaring apathy. If I see a person who believes and acts as if they are a cat or a bird, I will seek to get them help to the best of my ability. I do not coddle them and engage in their fantasy, I work to get them the help they so desperately need. Similarly, if a male believes he is a female, they are suffering some problem which has caused them to reject the reality that is plainly evident (and more importantly, empirically provable). I have a duty as someone who care for them to try to get them help, not play along with their fantasy.

Jesus didn’t demand others to change, grab them and put them in counseling to brainwash their beliefs… No, He simply warned them and told them the truth. This is all we are instructed to do. Not control others. Each choose their path.

“Go forth and sin no more.”

That was not a friendly suggest, it was an ultimatum. He forgave the adulteress, true; and he condemned the people for trying to kill her for his sin, but He did not tell her to go back to her sinful ways; He told her to amend them. He told her to stop living in sin, and to stop rejecting the moral truth. It was the condition on which she was saved from death that day, both physically and spiritually.

He also instructs us to heal the sick, which is what correcting a delusion is doing.

We cannot force people to believe anything, but that doesn’t mean we do not address a clear psychological problem when we see it, or worse yet that we should play along. There is a stark contrast between forcing a belief system on someone versus getting them the counseling they need to understand that something they believe contradicts reality.

tl:dr: A philosophical position is a vastly different then from a delusion. One is something which can be debated, but not proven, while the other is something which can be shown to be true or false beyond any reasonable doubt. The two things are not even remotely comparable.

 

[AnneElizabeth]

A delusion is …

no, uncaring apathy would be to do absolutely nothing about it… Notice, I said PREACH first (as in tell them what the gospel says and why) … then shake the dust off your feet and leave. That’s not apathetic. Apathetic is to not say anything at all. Nor did I say coddle to their fantasy… of course this is a no brainer. I said I did not support it. Why are you acting like I did? Again, I said PREACH… that goes to say along the same likes as Jesus preached- to say 'go and sin no more"… but that doesn’t mean that person gets beaten into submission or apprehended and sent to a loony bin because they don’t believe what you do. Its up to them. And that’s where you leave it… with the dust on your shoes on their floor… then leave. Jesus’s Word, not mine.

There have been several people in history who had religious delusions about God… so I don’t think you can really argue from the point that no one can touch anything having to do with God and what is preached because the existence of God cannot be proved either way… it really is the same thing. (Even the church has backtracked on some things once believed and held as true! Is slavery ok or not? Is it necessary for women to be submissive and not speak in church or not? ) Moslem and Jews and Hindus… all believe in God, yet they don’t agree. So what about that? Isn’t it more logical and right to suspend a heavy condemning judgement and just say, “you know what? I have my own thoughts about it all, but I don’t know but I’ll pray for the situation!” ??? Can you think of times in history where the majority laid heavy judgement upon a group or a belief but it turned out to be true? Turned out to be ignorance fueling the lynching!?

Here is the thing: Ever since I found out about the existence of some people born with BOTH sexual organs I have been lenient on the idea of trans people… because perhaps there is something we do not know yet about the human body… that there are parts of the brain that are the opposite sex from what genitals they were born with. I WILL make room for that possibility and save my judgement of them being ‘delusional’… They aren’t saying they are a cat, or a tree, or a car- and if a person can be born a hermaphrodite, then its very well possible someone can feel like they really are the opposite sex. (Notice I didn’t say its then ok for them to act like one or call themselves the opposite sex just because they want to… If someone was born with a defect, that person is not ‘delusional’… and that is the point I argue. (I know where the word of the Lord stands on this issue and so I back that, but I will not judge!). I’m just reserving my right NOT to make a heavy judgement against them.
I don't agree that philosophical positions are vastly different than delusions. Until we are all perfect in The Lord face and seated face to face with Him.. there is only the status quo, group mob mentality and secular (within religious) teaching and if you look into history ... well, lets just say that's not a very reliable thing to go by. If it were, all of us would have had everything figured out by now to the point where we'd have peace!!!

 

[St_Francis]

So there is a huge swatch of variances in how people have “issues”. From diagnosed disorders to iffy levels of undiagnosed tendencies.

But notably there is much much said about catering to people who can be at odds. “I have X issue, you have to work around MEEEE”

Or some such thing… Anyway a fairly relevant article in regards to when we have issues and feel entitled to be accepted for them in a warped sense:

huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/if-i-cant-accept-you-at-y_b_4673582.html

And sadly one only needs to skim the advices on here sometimes to see we hail people with issue as deserving of something all wrapped up in the guise of charitability and understanding and caring…Do you really deserve it? or should you fix you?

Sanity on HuffPo? This is too much for me to handle!

 

[LethalMouse]

Sanity on HuffPo? This is too much for me to handle!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If it IS 2:30 and my broken clock says it is 2:30 it doesn’t become untrue.

Even more intense if Satan appeared and stated “One of the ten commandments is to not murder” it is still good advice regardless the source

 

[AnneElizabeth]

So there is a huge swatch of variances in how people have “issues”. From diagnosed disorders to iffy levels of undiagnosed tendencies.

But notably there is much much said about catering to people who can be at odds. “I have X issue, you have to work around MEEEE”

Or some such thing… Anyway a fairly relevant article in regards to when we have issues and feel entitled to be accepted for them in a warped sense:

huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/if-i-cant-accept-you-at-y_b_4673582.html

And sadly one only needs to skim the advices on here sometimes to see we hail people with issue as deserving of something all wrapped up in the guise of charitability and understanding and caring…Do you really deserve it? or should you fix you?

From the Lord’s Prayer

“… and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those to trespass against us…”

Isn’t this along the same lines of “I have x issue, you have to work around MEEEE”… though maybe not really in that context, but might be seen as such from others who are less patient!!! ???

Examples…

Hey, i have alcohol issues. Its very strong I hardly can battle it. I’ve never survived it. I need help. I’m sorry this sin of mine messes things up. I admit I am. Please help me. Please work around my issues…

Hey, I have the problem that I became a porn addict.   I am sorry this happened, but I was just so down from everything in my life that i succumbed as it seems to bring me some sort of lift from watching it.  Please forgive me.  Please accept me anyway and help me out of it.  Please work around my issues...

Hey, I have the problem of gossiping. I ruin people’s lives because I say things I don’t really know are true and other people trust me so much because I have good standing in the church community that I end up ostracizing people (who need help from others) who very well may be innocent… Please accept me anyway… I don’t know why I do that. Please ask God to give me His grace so that I won’t do this again and please ask God to be lenient on my soul when I die, because I have ruined a great number of people’s reputations to the point it broke up marriages and families and people lost jobs… even though I never intended it to go that far. Please everyone work around my issues…

Hey, I have the problem of judging others. I condemn them because their life sounds so messed up compared to mine, and I work so hard to keep myself in line with God that its hard for me to see that I really can’t judge them. I don’t realize I could be in danger of hellfire myself. So please forgive me. Please work around my issue and just accept me…

Everyone has their issue.

What issues are you ‘asking’ others to work around? Not outright, like maybe these people that the article speaks of are asking others to accept publicly, but just from the sheer fact everyone fails at being perfect and thus that failure puts heavy burdens on the rest of us just as ours does the same to everyone else too. We all have our weak spots. None of us support ourselves entirely. God is the one who sustains us.

People asking for others to work around their issues is nothing new.   Its part of the Work of God to forgive and to be patient with others.  There is such a thing as arrogance... perhaps that is what you are trying to address but let me ask you this OP...   if that is the case,  what is the alternative?   Holy War?  Take sinners prisoner?  Beat them until they repent?   If someone doesn't seem repentant, throw them in jail?   Has history shown incarceration to work- that is, the examples where there was some kind of torture ?   Why are you posting this?  From frustration with others?  ** What do you expect or want to change?  ** It is written until the Lord comes back, there will never be a utopia here on earth.

The article asks "just what kind of society do we live in that (paraphrase) glorifies these statements?..
Answer: An honest and realistic one that is humble enough to admit it. Yes, the marylin Monroe quote might be arrogant but its honest because. I highly think the reason why that quote is passed around so much is EVERYONE HOPES for others to look past their faults. Yes, we need to fix it, but my point in examples above is that some things don't get fixed. There is that phrase "There but for the grace of God go I".. is it true or not? The person who made themselves out to be the best person in the world... was that God's doing, or their own? <- a real question there. This article seems to think we have the ability to be perfect creatures that won't bother another soul if we just tried- that we'd become super human! Is that a lie of Satan, or a truth of God?

 

[ProdglArchitect]

no, uncaring apathy would be to do absolutely nothing about it… Notice, I said PREACH first (as in tell them what the gospel says and why) … then shake the dust off your feet and leave. That’s not apathetic. Apathetic is to not say anything at all. Nor did I say coddle to their fantasy… of course this is a no brainer. I said I did not support it. Why are you acting like I did? Again, I said PREACH… that goes to say along the same likes as Jesus preached- to say 'go and sin no more"… but that doesn’t mean that person gets beaten into submission or apprehended and sent to a loony bin because they don’t believe what you do. Its up to them. And that’s where you leave it… with the dust on your shoes on their floor… then leave. Jesus’s Word, not mine.

This issue is that, by adopting this sort of live and let live mentality, in which we just say our piece and do nothing more, we are effectively giving society at large the go ahead to do it.

There have been several people in history who had religious delusions about God…
so I don’t think you can really argue from the point that no one can touch anything having to do with God and what is preached because the existence of God cannot be proved either way… it really is the same thing. (Even the church has backtracked on some things once believed and held as true! Is slavery ok or not? Is it necessary for women to be submissive and not speak in church or not? ) Moslem and Jews and Hindus… all believe in God, yet they don’t agree. So what about that? Isn’t it more logical and right to suspend a heavy condemning judgement and just say, “you know what? I have my own thoughts about it all, but I don’t know but I’ll pray for the situation!” ??? Can you think of times in history where the majority laid heavy judgement upon a group or a belief but it turned out to be true? Turned out to be ignorance fueling the lynching!?

Here’s the thing. Even if you can assign the term of delusional to people having visions of God, that doesn’t change the fact that that is a subjective experience. This issue of gender is not subjective, it is the literal opposite of subjective. A man is a man and a woman is a woman, nothing can change that.

Also, on your examples, the Church has never taught that slavery is okay. It has recognized it as a reality of the culture, and prescribed how we are supposed to treat a slave, but that is not the same thing as saying it’s okay. As for the woman being submissive thing, that passage (Ephesian’s 5) is still in affect, nothing has changed. What’s changed is how culture at large interprets it. This is getting really off topic though.

Here is the thing: Ever since I found out about the existence of some people born with BOTH sexual organs I have been lenient on the idea of trans people… because perhaps there is something we do not know yet about the human body… that there are parts of the brain that are the opposite sex from what genitals they were born with. I WILL make room for that possibility and save my judgement of them being ‘delusional’… They aren’t saying they are a cat, or a tree, or a car- and if a person can be born a hermaphrodite, then its very well possible someone can feel like they really are the opposite sex. (Notice I didn’t say its then ok for them to act like one or call themselves the opposite sex just because they want to… If someone was born with a defect, that person is not ‘delusional’… and that is the point I argue. (I know where the word of the Lord stands on this issue and so I back that, but I will not judge!). I’m just reserving my right NOT to make a heavy judgement against them.

The percentage of people born as hermaphrodites is minuscule, and even if they do have both sets of genitalia, their genetics are still one or the other. Hermaphroditism is an aberrant mutation, and there’s no evidence supporting the notion that “trans” people are suffering from some form of it.

I’m not saying out knowledge is exhaustive, but we still need to operate within the bounds of what we know. Basing laws on speculative possibilities or subjective feelings is the quickest way to a relativistic, anarchic social structure.

I’m not trying to be mean, and I’m sorry if it seems that I am, but I believe this type of thinking is troublesome. We have to work to ensure that our laws and social structure coincide with reality. I’m not saying that we should judge these people or condemn them, but we should definitely work to understand where this faulty belief comes from and work to correct it. Even though we can’t force people to accept treatment (unless they are harming themselves or others,) we can work to understand a sickness so that treatments are available. (Also, on another note, how does surgically mutilating your reproductive organs and drastically altering your body chemistry with hormone injections not count as self-harm…?)

 

[AnneElizabeth]

This issue is that, by adopting this sort of live and let live mentality, in which we just say our piece and do nothing more, we are effectively giving society at large the go ahead to do it.

…

So are you saying that the Jews, (not speaking of current day Jewish, just to be clear- the ones written about in the Gospel at Christ’s passion) were right in acting the way they did because they did so in the manner of what they KNEW to be right… that it was widely believed Christ was definitely NOT who he says he is and needed to be put to death on the cross according to their knowledge of their faith… this is essentially what you said here. Was it right then?

You know, it IS troublesome! I’m troubled by it too! Its not fun or comforting to think we don’t know all of what is right and good to do, that we may be in the wrong, but I believe its an essential part of the faith- to act first out of that which we know is the most important rule that Our Lord gave us. From there, everything else is a peripheral, or a guideline. If we act because of our fear, or rather, react, then how much better are we than the so called Pharisees.

And no, with Hermaphrodites there is no set genetic code for male or female. I know of one who was thought to be female, so they dressed this person as a female but later in life they decided to transition to a male- their ‘scientific beliefs’ that this person should id with female were wrong. What a horrid thing to deal with, but you know, this person is STILL just a person, struggling like we are trying to find out what is right or wrong. There is TRUTH, and then there is the mysterious, the unknown. It is said God’s ways are so far above our ways. And also this: (bold emphasis mine)

Proverbs 3 ►
New American Standard Bible
The Rewards of Wisdom

1My son, do not forget my teaching,
But let your heart keep my commandments;

  2For length of days and years of life
        And peace they will add to you.

**
3Do not let kindness and truth leave you;
Bind them around your neck,
Write them on the tablet of your heart.

  4So you will find favor and good repute
        In the sight of God and man.**

  5Trust in the LORD with all your heart
        **And do not lean on your own understanding.**

  6In all your ways acknowledge Him,
        And He will make your paths straight.

**
7Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.**

  8It will be healing to your body
        And refreshment to your bones.

Oh and coinciding with 'reality"… are you kidding me? You go by a book that has a man born of a virgin, and then rose up like some UFO in the sky AFTER he died then came back to life… and you want to talk “reality” as 'we know it"??? Can’t. do. that. Its a leap from one thing to another that you don’t see, only because you believe it… but someone else might not! (by the way, not me…and I’m also not trying to be mean) People still do not know what ‘reality’ is! They only think they do! Now I sound like the crazy person!

I will give you this much… I agree that not working on the bounds of reality does lead to relativistic anarchic social structure… but my thoughts are this, since sin is here to stay until the Lord comes… is that not reality already!!! Laws and social structures do not keep us safe… what keeps us safe is people believing in the Lord, for its only in that there is true peace. This makes converting others- as true believers- the forefront of importance … if we want peace that is. There has always existed since the original sin, those sins. its nothing new. its always been happening somewhere, somehow… never did anyone ever ‘do’ anything about it, even if people were burned at the stake for such and such a sin. It goes on. It still happens. What did Jesus say the solution for this was?! ← We need to do that. I probably sound like I’m talking in circles… but think of it more as fine tweaking. Prudence, a virtue, is knowing when and how much.

This:, “What’s changed is how culture at large interprets it. This is getting really off topic though.” … is a cop out. This is precisely what I am saying. This ‘interpretation’ varies, and no its not off topic, it IS the brunt of the topic!

 

[AnneElizabeth]

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This:, “What’s changed is how culture at large interprets it. This is getting really off topic though.” … is a cop out. This is precisely what I am saying. This ‘interpretation’ varies, and no its not off topic, it IS the brunt of the topic!

I digress, what we have been discussing… it is off topic from teh OP… sorry! (I have been responding to another thread with similar issues being discussed and got confused) I apologize.

 

[edwest2]

The movie Suicide Squad. The “bad guys” are the heroes and it’s OK.

The TV show Dexter where a severely mentally disturbed person is taught by his foster dad that it’s OK to let your desire to kill express itself by catching, killing, and dismembering only “bad” people instead of putting him in an institution where he can’t harm anybody.

Superheroes on TV who are just slightly less brutal than the bad guys, or even do a deal with the bad guys for some greater “good,” or even to get what they want since the end justifies the means.

The wrong message. The very wrong message. When we should all try to be the best that we can be, we’re getting depictions of bad people who think it’s OK to be bad.

We need good role models, even above the average good we can do role models to look up to and imagine being. Not looking down into the pit and getting used to the darkness, the blood and gore.

Ed

 

[SilverShadow22]

The movie Suicide Squad. The “bad guys” are the heroes and it’s OK.

The TV show Dexter where a severely mentally disturbed person is taught by his foster dad that it’s OK to let your desire to kill express itself by catching, killing, and dismembering only “bad” people instead of putting him in an institution where he can’t harm anybody.

Superheroes on TV who are just slightly less brutal than the bad guys, or even do a deal with the bad guys for some greater “good,” or even to get what they want since the end justifies the means.

The wrong message. The very wrong message. When we should all try to be the best that we can be, we’re getting depictions of bad people who think it’s OK to be bad.

We need good role models, even above the average good we can do role models to look up to and imagine being. Not looking down into the pit and getting used to the darkness, the blood and gore.

Ed

What if looking down into the pit is the only thing that makes this world seem livable by comparison?

 

[LethalMouse]

From the Lord’s Prayer

???
Examples…
Hey, i have alcohol issues. Its very strong I hardly can battle it. I’ve never survived it. I need help. I’m sorry this sin of mine messes things up. I admit I am. Please help me. Please work around my issues…
Hey, I have the problem that I became a porn addict. I am sorry this happened, but I was just so down from everything in my life that i succumbed as it seems to bring me some sort of lift from watching it. Please forgive me. Please accept me anyway and help me out of it. Please work around my issues…
Hey, I have the problem of gossiping. I ruin people’s lives because I say things I don’t really know are true and other people trust me so much because I have good standing in the church community that I end up ostracizing people (who need help from others) who very well may be innocent… Please accept me anyway… I don’t know why I do that. Please ask God to give me His grace so that I won’t do this again and please ask God to be lenient on my soul when I die, because I have ruined a great number of people’s reputations to the point it broke up marriages and families and people lost jobs… even though I never intended it to go that far. Please everyone work around my issues…Hey, I have the problem of judging others. I condemn them because their life sounds so messed up compared to mine, and I work so hard to keep myself in line with God that its hard for me to see that I really can’t judge them. I don’t realize I could be in danger of hellfire myself. So please forgive me. Please work around my issue and just accept me…
Everyone has their issue.
What issues are you ‘asking’ others to work around? Not outright, like maybe these people that the article speaks of are asking others to accept publicly, but just from the sheer fact everyone fails at being perfect and thus that failure puts heavy burdens on the rest of us just as ours does the same to everyone else too. We all have our weak spots. None of us support ourselves entirely. God is the one who sustains us.
People asking for others to work around their issues is nothing new. Its part of the Work of God to forgive and to be patient with others. There is such a thing as arrogance… perhaps that is what you are trying to address but let me ask you this OP… if that is the case, what is the alternative? Holy War? Take sinners prisoner? Beat them until they repent? If someone doesn’t seem repentant, throw them in jail? Has history shown incarceration to work- that is, the examples where there was some kind of torture ? Why are you posting this? From frustration with others? ** What do you expect or want to change? ** It is written until the Lord comes back, there will never be a utopia here on earth.

The article asks "just what kind of society do we live in that (paraphrase) glorifies these statements?..

Answer:  An honest  and realistic one that is humble enough to admit it.   Yes, the marylin Monroe quote might be arrogant but its honest because.  I highly think the reason why that quote is passed around so much is EVERYONE HOPES for others to look past their faults.  Yes, we need to fix it, but my point in examples above is that some things don't get fixed.  There is that phrase "There but for the grace of God go I".. is it true or not?    The person who made themselves out to be the best person in the world...  was that God's doing, or their own?   <- a real question there.   This article seems to think we have the ability to be perfect creatures that won't bother another soul if we just tried- that we'd become super human!   Is that a lie of Satan, or a truth of God?

Even in the article it is said to “accept” failings.

But it is a mentality thing and one that is often seen as not to “accept” a fault and hope it corrects, but to appreciate it.

For your alcoholic example if you know a struggling alcoholic that asks you not to drink around them because they DO NOT want to mess up.

But they would also say that it is a fault, apologize, etc etc.

But should you care the same level to an alcoholic who doesn’t care if you drink because they are going to and they don’t care? Because as the article said the alcoholic’s “best” is worth you putting up with them getting drunk and driving the car through the living room. Because if you don’t enjoy the car in your living room then you don’t deserve their greatness attitude.

I also liken this in ways to the fact that some posters even on here will say something akin to:

" I have X (Mental issue) or (tendency) ie: I am sensitive to this/that or in general, SO YOU CAN’T TALK TO ME that way or say this/that."

Or

“I have X wrong so people really need to do [insert catering] around me”

And many advice seems to be “Oh yes THEY need to [insert catering] work around YOU”
Now in defense the shall we call them good ones will instead say something like:

“I know I have X so I do my best to not let it get to me sometimes I overreact etc but I am slowly learning”
OR
“I am learning to work around my [insert issue] but I am so grateful when someone [insert catering] I feel like I need to pay them back when I get myself together”

The best example I can think of from a relationship standpoint would be like idk say I always forget every holiday/birthday etc

and that is my fault, my response is to apologize and try to maybe implement a calendar etc. And my lady should forgive me and accept who I am

BUT I SHOULD ALWAYS BE TRYING TO NOT FORGET

And not saying “well what do you want??? I forget these things tough noogiesm, if you want me you can suck it up and love never getting a sweet bday.”