Mentally disabled... not Catholic?

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I am new posting here, so I really have no idea where this should go. I have been looking for answers on this, and can’t find any that are at all helpful.

My brother was baptized in the NICU, as he wasn’t expected to live, by the hospital chaplain. He is now 32 and lives with my mother. My Mother joined the Catholic church and is a devout Catholic now. He is physically and mentally disabled. The priest told her that he can’t be Catholic because he can’t take the sacraments, (we know he does not have the reasoning to take communion, or to actually commit mortal sin requiring reconciliation), and because he wasnt baptised as a Catholic.

So is this true? That he can’t be a Catholic? While we totally understand that he won’t marry, or receive Holy Communion, we don’t understand why he can’t be a member of the Catholic Church. Also, because of “not being Catholic” he can’t receive the annointing of the sick, or the Catholic Funeral rights. I hope you understand my question, and hopefully someone can offer me some insight. Thank you so much.

GOD bless!
 
Since he was baptized, he IS Catholic. All baptized people are members of the Catholic church. It’s not PC to say that these days, but that’s the truth. Don’t go by the opinion of one priest; they aren’t exactly doctors of the church.
 
contact your diocese because there are special classes for those who are challenged like your brother to recevied the sacraments. don’t take one priests comments as accurate.
 
I am new posting here, so I really have no idea where this should go. I have been looking for answers on this, and can’t find any that are at all helpful.

My brother was baptized in the NICU, as he wasn’t expected to live, by the hospital chaplain. He is now 32 and lives with my mother. My Mother joined the Catholic church and is a devout Catholic now. He is physically and mentally disabled. The priest told her that he can’t be Catholic because he can’t take the sacraments, (we know he does not have the reasoning to take communion, or to actually commit mortal sin requiring reconciliation), and because he wasnt baptised as a Catholic.

So is this true? That he can’t be a Catholic? While we totally understand that he won’t marry, or receive Holy Communion, we don’t understand why he can’t be a member of the Catholic Church. Also, because of “not being Catholic” he can’t receive the annointing of the sick, or the Catholic Funeral rights. I hope you understand my question, and hopefully someone can offer me some insight. Thank you so much.

GOD bless!
I am so sorry you have been told this. (((HUGS))) I was very upset when I read your post. I have the most wonderful sister Mary who was born with a Learning Disability and profound physical disabilities. We made our First Holy Communion together many years ago and she is a fully active catholic and attends Mass every week.

Of course your brother is catholic and can receive anointing of the sick and funeral etc.the same as anyone else.

Please contact your bishop’s office and ask for assitance on this matter.

I am so sorry you have been treated so appallingly.

May God bless your brother and all your family 🙂
 
I am so sorry you have been told this. (((HUGS))) I was very upset when I read your post. I have the most wonderful sister Mary who was born with a Learning Disability and profound physical disabilities. We made our First Holy Communion together many years ago and she is a fully active catholic and attends Mass every week.

Of course your brother is catholic and can receive anointing of the sick and funeral etc.the same as anyone else.

Please contact your bishop’s office and ask for assitance on this matter.

I am so sorry you have been treated so appallingly.

May God bless your brother and all your family 🙂
Sounds as if this priest is unaware that it is possible to be fully initiated into the Church, even with severe learning disabilities. I am currently working with a young man who has downs syndrome. He has already been through reconciliation, and will receive FHC and Confirmation in May. Loyola Press has a wonderful adaptive reconciliation and Eucharist prep kit.
 
If your brother lacks the use of reason then his admission to the Church would be done according to the rite for infants. Since he’s already been baptized this would involve reception into the Church and confirmation. Also, in the Latin Rite at least anointing of the sick is only for those who have the capability to commit sin.
 
Many have already responded that your brother is in fact Catholic (crypto-Catholic). This is PROBABLY the case. It assumes, however, that the hospital chaplain who baptized him was Catholic, Orthodox, or a member of a main-line Protestant denomination. Please verify this. If it proves not to be the case, have your brother baptized. Find another priest if necessary, but be assured that your brothers and sisters are correct in saying that mental and physical disability is not a bar to the sacrament of baptism.

Reb Levi
 
I am new posting here, so I really have no idea where this should go. I have been looking for answers on this, and can’t find any that are at all helpful.

My brother was baptized in the NICU, as he wasn’t expected to live, by the hospital chaplain. He is now 32 and lives with my mother. My Mother joined the Catholic church and is a devout Catholic now. He is physically and mentally disabled. The priest told her that he can’t be Catholic because he can’t take the sacraments, (we know he does not have the reasoning to take communion, or to actually commit mortal sin requiring reconciliation), and because he wasnt baptised as a Catholic.

So is this true? That he can’t be a Catholic? While we totally understand that he won’t marry, or receive Holy Communion, we don’t understand why he can’t be a member of the Catholic Church. Also, because of “not being Catholic” he can’t receive the annointing of the sick, or the Catholic Funeral rights. I hope you understand my question, and hopefully someone can offer me some insight. Thank you so much.

GOD bless!
I would say find another church! what heartless person would say such thing? reminds me of the time my boyfriends brother committed suicide while his parents where on vacation. That day their Catholic priest came to their house to tell his parent that their son well spend entirety in hell. How thoughtful of him right? how christian like. My boyfriend ever since then has stayed away from the church. Im personally not Catholic I think the whole denomination thing is ridiculous. All that matters is you accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. Your brother may not understand, but he is still saved. God loves him the way he is, he is perfect in his eyes and that is all that matters. I have been told many things from many priest I had one that tried to get my sister alone (if you get what im saying) Priest are that same as you and I the only difference is they went to school to study the Bible. p Im sure you will find a good one out there. 🙂
give your brother a hug for me let him know he is a gift from God.
 
What sort of baptism was it in the NICU? You didn’t say it was a Catholic baptism, was it? If not , what kind was it?

As I understand the baptism has to be Trinitarian (in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) and one other criterion – I think moving water needs to be involved – for it to be considered a valid baptism.

Alan
 
The Catholic Church allows those deprived of the use of reasoning to partake of Confirmation/Chrismation and Communion in the Eastern Catholic Churches. One receives grace from God through the Sacraments, infants and mentally disabled. The Church from ancient times has allowed infants to partake of the Eucharist. 🙂

“With milk, then, the Lord’s nutriment, we are nursed directly we are born; and as soon as we are regenerated, we are honoured by receiving the good news of the hope of rest, even the Jerusalem above, in which it is written that milk and honey fall in showers, receiving through what is material the pledge of the sacred food.” - St Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, Book 1, Ch 6

"Let none of the catechumens, let none of the hearers, let none of the unbelievers, let none of the heterodox, stay here. You who have prayed the foregoing prayer, depart. Let the mothers receive their children; let no one have anything against any one; let no one come in hypocrisy; let us stand upright before the Lord with fear and trembling, to offer. When this is done, let the deacons bring the gifts to the bishop at the altar; and let the presbyters stand on his right hand, and on his left, as disciples stand before their Master.
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“And let the people answer: There is One that is holy; there is one Lord, one Jesus Christ, blessed for ever, to the glory of God the Father. Amen. “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good-will among men. Hosanna to the son of David! Blessed be He that cometh in the name of the Lord,” being the Lord God who appeared to us, “Hosanna in the highest.” And after that, let the bishop partake, then the presbyters, and deacons, and sub-deacons, and the readers, and the singers, and the ascetics; and then of the women, the deaconesses, and the virgins, and the widows; then the children; and then all the people in order, with reverence and godly fear, without tumult. And let the bishop give the oblation, saying, The body of Christ; and let him that receiveth say, Amen. And let the deacon take the cup; and when he gives it, say, The blood of Christ, the cup of life; and let him that drinketh say, Amen.” - Apostolic Constitutions, Book 8, Ch 12-13

“Those who say that infancy has nothing in it for Jesus to save, are denying that Christ is Jesus for all believing infants. Those, I repeat, who say that infancy has nothing in it for Jesus to save, are saying nothing else than that for believing infants, infants that is who have been baptized in Christ, Christ the Lord is not Jesus. After all, what is Jesus? Jesus means Savior. Jesus is the Savior. Those whom he doesn’t save, having nothing to save in them, well for them he isn’t Jesus. Well now, if you can tolerate the idea that Christ is not Jesus for some persons who have been baptized, then I’m not sure your faith can be recognized as according with the sound rule. Yes, they’re infants, but they are his members. They’re infants, but they receive his sacraments. They are infants, but they share in his table, in order to have life in themselves.” - St Augustine of Hippo, Sermon 174

“And what else do they say who call the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper life, than that which is written: “I am the living bread which came down from heaven;” and “The bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world;” and “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye shall have no life in you?” If, therefore, as so many and such divine witnesses agree, neither salvation nor eternal life can be hoped for by any man without baptism and the Lord’s body and blood, it is vain to promise these blessings to infants without them. Moreover, if it be only sins that separate man from salvation and eternal life, there is nothing else in infants which these sacraments can be the means of removing, but the guilt of sin…” - St Augustine of Hippo, On the Forgiveness of Sins and the Baptism of Infants, Book 1, Ch 33

"Question XVII [to Pope St Leo of Rome]. Concerning those who have been captured by the enemy and are not aware whether they have been baptized but know they were several times taken to church by their parents, whether they can or ought to be baptized when they come back to Roman territory?
“[Pope St Leo of Rome’s]Reply. Those who can remember that they used to go to church with their parents can remember whether they received what used to be given to their parents. But if this also has escaped their memory, it seems that that must be bestowed on them which is not known to have been bestowed because there can be no presumptuous rashness where the most loyal carefulness has been exercised.” - Pope St Leo of Rome, Letter CLXVII, Ch 3
 
I’m sorry you and your mother are being put through this stress. Have you read the Guidelines for the Celebration of the Sacraments with Persons with Disabilities?

ncpd.org/views-news-policy/policy/church/bishops/sacraments

I found this document very helpful when we were preparing my son for his First Holy Communion. My son has autism, mild cognitive impairment, mild visual impairment, and other disabilities. The document answered a lot of my questions about what was required of him and what is permitted.

Perhaps you or your mother can print this document and then discuss it with the priest.

If you can’t get anywhere with the priest, call the diocese and ask to speak to someone about sacraments and the disabled. The diocese may have a separate department for ministering to people with disabilities or it may fall under another department, such as Catechesis.

God bless you and your family!
 
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