Mexican sanctuary (cathedral)

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hey guys, ive been a catholic for 2 years, but really started to learn about my faith since june… i understand we dont worship anything other than god… but i still have a couple of questions… does this picture look ok, is it ok for mary to have an altar to herself??

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here is a link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe_Unfinished_Cathedral
 
hey guys, ive been a catholic for 2 years, but really started to learn about my faith since june… i understand we dont worship anything other than god… but i still have a couple of questions… does this picture look ok, is it ok for mary to have an altar to herself??

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here is a link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe_Unfinished_Cathedral
Welcome to CAF. 🙂

The image behind the altar in the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe is displayed where it is precisely because of the miraculous nature of the image which prompted the conversion of millions of native peoples of the area to Christianity.
 
oh i see … thanks… sorry for the dumb question, but what exactly is a “shrine”. its pretty hard for me to know these things, since i was never raised catholic. and my parents are “bible christians”
 
The basic problem here is that you’re not looking at the church decorations like the Catholic you are; you’re looking at it in the old way. You know this stuff, but you’re still internalizing it. That’s okay.

As you know, the most important thing in the picture is that the Mass is taking place. The Mass is the greatest prayer, offering, and anything else that you can think of, and it is directed toward God the Father, offered to Him by God the Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. It is part (a facet of a great jewel, if you will) of Jesus’ eternal offering of Himself to the Father, which He began at the Last Supper and on the Cross when He died, through the Resurrection and the Ascension, and is still being offered by Christ in Heaven. (As per Paul’ in Hebrews – all that holy of holies stuff.) Everything that’s not the action of the Mass is less important, unless it’s Christ’s Real Presence in the Eucharist.

The next most important thing is the HUGE CRUCIFIX, preaching Christ and Him crucified. Every Catholic church is supposed to have some kind of crucifix in plain view at all times, in order to keep what Christ did for us, and how much He loves us, clearly in mind.

Almost everything else in the picture is artwork. It’s artwork that’s been blessed, and it’s artwork that’s supposed to help give glory to God and draw the worshippers’ minds to holy things.

On the (east) wall behind the main altar in a church, the traditional thing is pictures of the Second Coming of Christ, or the bliss of heaven before all that with angels and saints.* Christians, since the very beginning, traditionally prayed toward the east, the direction of Christ’s ascension (as seen in OT prophecy!) and the predicted direction of His Second Coming (also as seen in OT prophecy!) Looking at pictures of Jesus in glory, or of the saints and angels in heaven, or even of just a single saint, helped them to remember what they were expecting to happen in the end, and the grace they wished to receive from Mass to help them to persevere. (It was also helpful to the priest, because of course the traditional prayer direction included the priest looking that way as well. But his major focus would have been Mass, and later on, a small crucifix standing on the altar.)

Later, you get pictures of saints living the Christian life up front above the altar, as well as in all sorts of other places. But this was generally seen as seeing the saints in the light of eternity, just as someday (if we go to heaven) we will look back on our own lives on earth as being ultimately to God’s glory, and full of His graces.

So what you’re seeing is a picture of the Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Guadelupe, a picture filled with symbolism, and portraying Mary as both the pregnant virgin of Luke and the Woman of Revelation. She is basically a symbol of what the individual Christian wants to do – bear Christ through the world – and what the Christian wants to become – sanctified by God.

So yeah, it’s fine to have an altar with a picture of Mary over it. Even if an altar is “dedicated to” a certain saint, it’s consecrated to God.

And of course, the early Christian ideal of an altar was to have not just an altar, but an altar built upon the relics of a martyr or other saint. (As seen in Revelation, with the martyrs under God’s altar!) The Mass altars of the catacombs were perhaps the biggest expression of this; but of course St. Peter’s in Rome has the main altar directly over the tomb of Peter for a reason.

The Mexican flags being so close to the altar is what’s odd about this picture! But I’m sure there’s a good rationale for their placement, too. They seem to be positioned so as to appear to be bowing to the altar; that may be it.

I hope this helps.

Mintaka

*(Over the doors in back, looking west, you’d have the Last Judgment.)
 
oh i see … thanks… sorry for the dumb question, but what exactly is a “shrine”. its pretty hard for me to know these things, since i was never raised catholic. and my parents are “bible christians”
Don’t be sorry, Franky; it wasn’t a “dumb question” at all. The Our Sunday Catholic Encyclopedia explains (quoting from Canon Law) a shrine as “a church or other sacred place approved by the local Ordinary [iow, the local bishop] to which the faithful go to make pilgrimages. . . .hrines must be approved by ecclesiastical authority and they are intended primarily for pilgrimages.”. So the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe is a place of pilgrimage because of the recognition by the Church authorities of the miraculous nature of the image of Our Lady. Among other shrines are those of Lourdes, Fatima and LaSalette.
 
Among other shrines are those of Lourdes, Fatima and LaSalette.
There are also numerous (far less grandiose) shrines much closer to home. Depending on where you live, there may be several in your state.

I found a list here: catholiclinks.org/santuariosestadosunidos.htm

The list is woefully incomplete - it omits the foremost shrine of the United States: The National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC (how did that one get left off the list???)

I also noticed that it omits the National Shrine of St. Dymphna (patroness of those with mental disorders) in Massillon, Ohio.

These happen to be the only two national shrines I’ve visited, and the list omits them both, so I imagine there are many more.
 
thank you ,🙂 … now i have a much better understanding of the shrine…

thank you,
Francisco
 
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