Mineral Garden of Eden - Satan

[peeteyg]

I have been reading something lately and it speaks of two different Garden of edens. It says one is a mineral garden of eden (eden, Garden of god) and one is the physical garden of eden where adam and eve were, does anyone know anything about this or is it totally bunk? It says god created the mineral grden of eden and satan was given rulership of this place\planet?

I am still debating with my JW friend and I am interested in Hierarchy of angels including Satan. I know that Jude includes a dispute over moses’ body and this got me thinking about hierarchy. The archangel michael is an arch angel and cannot defeat satan alone. He only said the lord rebuke thee. Jesus had a real confrontation with satan during the 40 days in the desert. He will ultimately defeat the devil. Satan is a Cherubim and is an “Annointed Cherubim” who protected and covered the Mercy seat of God.

He appears to be the highest order of created beings and would be a handful in spiritual battle! I don’t think jesus is the arch-angel Michael due to the fact that in the hierarchy he is a lesser order and could not defeat Satan alone. This is only the role for Jesus/God. Any comments on this would be appreciated. I have a interesting link to a document on satan as it relates to the bible. I can include it if anyone is interested, I don’t like to particularly promote Satan but it is worth discussing our adversary.

Here is the link to the info

arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs077m.pdf

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

Listen to this mp3 of Fr. Euteneuer in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=421720

It will give you a lot of information.

lucifer was a seraphim angel who was the highest of all angels, until he fell due to his great pride.

This thing that you read is mostly bunk mixed in with some truths. It’s the trademark way the devil likes to lead people off. Don’t be deceived.

 

[peeteyg]

In Ezekiel 28:12-15 it talks about the king of Tyre. If you read it and study it it appears he is speaking about Satan. It says he is a cherubim. Maybe someone else can read it and tell me if it refers to satan and his influence (demonic) over government and kingdoms. It is scary and interesting.

 

[patrick457]

My post’s a bit-off topic (and I don’t have the answer), but let’s show the text first:

Son of man, lift up a lamentation for the king of Tzor (Tyre), and say to him:
'Thus said the Lord YHWH:

You were the sealer of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
In Eden, the garden of Elohim, you were;
Every precious stone your covering.

Ruby, topaz, and emerald,
Chrysolite, onyx, and jasper,
Lapis lazuli, turquoise, and beryl,
And gold the workmanship of your settings and of your mounts;
On the day you were created they were prepared.

You were an anointed keruv who is overshadowing, and I have established you;
In the holy mountain of Elohim you were,
In the midst of stones of fire you walked back and forth.
Perfect you were in your ways from the day you were created
Until iniquity was found in you.

In the abundance of your trading they filled your midst with violence,
And you sinned, and I have defiled you from the mountain of Elohim;
And I have destroyed you, O keruv who overshadows,
From the midst of the stones of fire.

Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty,
You have corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor,
On the land I have cast you, before kings I have set you, to look at you.

By the abundance of your iniquity, in the unrighteousness of your trading,
You have polluted your sanctuaries; and I brought out fire from your midst;
It devoured you, and I turned you to ashes on the land
Before the eyes of all who see you.
All who knew you among the peoples are appalled at you,
Terrors you have become, and shall be no more forever.’"

This version follows the Masoretic - which has the addressee likened to a cherub. However, interestingly the Greek Septuagint presupposes not 'att-keruv (“you were a keruv”), but 'et-keruv (“with a keruv”) at this point. Thus, the reference here becomes most likely to that of the story of the expulsion of man from Eden - one other evidence usually presented in support for this is the gender of the words: 'att is a feminine pronoun, but keruv is a masculine noun. Hence, the Septuagint version has:

14/13b-14: μετὰ τοῦ Χεροὺβ ἔθηκά σε ἐν ὄρει ἁγίῳ Θεοῦ / With the cherub I put you on the holy mountain of God…

16: καὶ ἐτραυματίσθης ἀπὸ ὄρους τοῦ Θεοῦ, καὶ ἤγαγέ σε τὸ Χεροὺβ ἐκ μέσου λίθων πυρίνων. / And you were wounded from the mountain of God, and the cherub led you out of the midst of the stones of fire.