Miracle at Lanciano

[eagertolearn]

This is one of the sites…I’m trying to figure out which was the other one:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

It says that the left ventricle is enlarged…how can they tell that from a tissue sample?

(This is a coincidence because not long ago, I had to have an echocardiogram done because my dr suspected a problem with my left ventricle…it turned out that it was alright, but he had shown me pictures of what an enlarged left ventricle looks like compared with one that is not enlarged.)

You probably referred to this statement:

In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

It does not imply enlarged heart. It only means that the sample was probably from the left ventricle (lower left chamber of the heart). The wall of this chamber is much thicker because it has to work harder to pump blood through out the body. There is nothing in the report indicating enlarged heart as you have intentionally or un-intentionally misquoted.

ETL

 

[Carl_Nicholas]

I was doing some reading, recently, on Eucharistic miracles, and I came upon the Miracle at Lanciano, Italy and I have to ask myself, ‘Why do people still not believe that the bread and wine at a Catholic Mass becomes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus?’

Here’s the article, I’d love to know a non-Catholic’s initial reactions and thoughts.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

A more in-depth narrative:

trosch.org/inx/lanciano.html

A modern re-verification of the miraculous phenomena:

zenit.org/article-12933?l=english

Hello misterbee,

WOW!!!

WOW!!!

AMAZING ( THANKS FOR POSTING IT )

God Bless,
Carl

 

[Eden]

This is one of the sites…I’m trying to figure out which was the other one:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

It says that the left ventricle is enlarged…how can they tell that from a tissue sample?

(This is a coincidence because not long ago, I had to have an echocardiogram done because my dr suspected a problem with my left ventricle…it turned out that it was alright, but he had shown me pictures of what an enlarged left ventricle looks like compared with one that is not enlarged.)

I thought that was the one that you misread. Eagertolearn already answered it, and understood it to mean that they knew it was the left ventricle because of its size in comparison to the rest of the tissue, not that it was enlarged.

 

[Sepharad]

I thought that was the one that you misread. Eagertolearn already answered it, and understood it to mean that they knew it was the left ventricle because of its size in comparison to the rest of the tissue, not that it was enlarged.

Maybe I misunderstood, because my doctor told me that the left ventricle of the heart is never enlarged unless the person has hypertension or a heart valve malfunction, both of which make the heart in that ventricle work harder, and hence, it enlarges.

The only reason I know so much about this is because my dr has been trying to resolve a weird condition I seem to have, where my BP gets very high at his office, but nowhere else (I regularly take it at home daily.) He ordered an echocardiogram to see if my left ventricle was enlarged; he said if I DID have TRUE hypertension, it would be. But it wasn’t. It was the only way he could determine if I had genuine hypertension, or what they call “white coat” hypertension.

So according to him, the left ventricle is not enlarged unless the person has a medical condition that would make it that way.

 

[eagertolearn]

Maybe I misunderstood, because my doctor told me that the left ventricle of the heart is never enlarged unless the person has hypertension or a heart valve malfunction, both of which make the heart in that ventricle work harder, and hence, it enlarges. You can determine the size of the heart by echocardiogram, cardiac catherization… but not by tissue samples which only suggest the thickness of the muscle layer or the wall.

The only reason I know so much about this is because my dr has been trying to resolve a weird condition I seem to have, where my BP gets very high at his office, but nowhere else (I regularly take it at home daily.) He ordered an echocardiogram to see if my left ventricle was enlarged; he said if I DID have TRUE hypertension, it would be. But it wasn’t. It was the only way he could determine if I had genuine hypertension, or what they call “white coat” hypertension.

So according to him, the left ventricle is not enlarged unless the person has a medical condition that would make it that way.

The problem is you presumed the heart was enlarged and tried to rationalize and justify that way. The report said nothing about the size of the heart. The reason they believed the sample came from the left side because of the thickness of the specimen. The wall of the left ventricle is much thicker than all the rest of the heart. You can determine the size of the heart by echocardiogram or heart catheterization but not by tissue samples which only show you the thickness of the muscle layers.

“The white coat hypertension” syndrome means that when a person gets to the doctor office, because of apprehension, excitement, anticipation…their adrenaline system gets bump up thus creates a temporal hypertension but nowhere else. It happens all the times.

Please let this matter rest. You read the report wrongly and may cause further misleading argument if you continue.

Have a nice day.

ETL.

 

[steve_b]

You asked what Protestants and Non-Christians think of this miracle. I am neither,

are you saying you’re Christian?

white:

but Dion Fortune (who most would argue is a non-Christian) had this to say about the Transubstatiation of the Eucharist,

She was an occultist. Why did you post this?