Miracles - Islam vs Christians Catholics

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I asked this to a muslim :

Does Allah make miracles nowadays?

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Yes, He does. We have seen miracles and we have heard also.

Miracles in the Catholic Church ( full approval )

1347 Siena, Italy St. Catherine
1531 Guadalupe, Mexico St. Juan Diego
1600s Agreda, Spain Venerable Mary of Agreda
1830 Rue Du Bac, France Catherine Laboure
1836 OL of Victories, Paris Father Genettes
1840 Blangy, France Sister Justine Bisqueyburu
1846 La Salette, France Melanie Calvat & Maximin Giraud
1858 Lourdes, France Bernadette Soubirous
1876 Pellevoisin, France Estelle Faguette
1877 Gietrzwald, Poland Justyna Szafrynska, Barbara Samulowska
1879 Knock, Ireland 15 people
1884 Rome, Italy Pope Leo XIII
1904 Poland St. Maximilian Kolbe
1917 Fatima, Portugal Lucia, Francisco, & Jacinta
1918 San Giovanni, Italy St. Padre Pio
1932 Beauraing, Belgium 5 Voisin & Degeimbre children
1933 Banneaux, Belgium Mariette Beco
1937 Poland St. Faustina
1968 Zeitun, Egypt Thousands
1973 Akita, Japan Sister Agnes Sasagawa
1980 Cuapa, Nicaragua Edward Bernardo Martinez

apparitions.org/

I must mention that in some of this miracles there is thousands of eyewitness - Fatima Portugal is one example… notice the link to Muhammad daughter name…and how muslims also love Mary

I was surprised about Egypt and the church approval :eek:

members.aol.com/bjw1106/marian7.htm

I wonder, what miracles Islam have ? they just gave me a vague answer
 
I personally never heard of any such miracles in Islam, the ones i know are Christian saints’ apparitions to Muslims in visions/dreams, or Muslims asking for the intercession of a Christian saint and being granted their prayers…but out of curiosity, i tried to google it…i found these miracles :

Allah’s name on Africa, Allah’s name on our hand, trees in prayer position, Allah’s name on oceans, Mosques survive tsunami, Allah’s name on clouds and the like of what they believe to be miracles.

Zeitun miracle in Egypt was witnessed by Muslims as well.
 
inJESUS said:
Allah’s name on Africa, Allah’s name on our hand, trees in prayer position, Allah’s name on oceans, Mosques survive tsunami, Allah’s name on clouds and the like of what they believe to be miracles.
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That can’t be considered miracles, a tree in a prayer position ?

Perhaps due to the wind, there is a lot of natural sculptures, just by natural causes nothing to do with God

outdoors.webshots.com/album/561631704mmgXqa

Seems to me as like Muhammad who didn’t made any miracle, they invented as more as possible

Allah just means “The God”

The church takes a lot of cautions to accept a miracle, normally :
  • There must be a eyewitness
  • Very sick people gets healthy without medical explanation
  • The events caused mass conversions, or radical changes in life
I must say that even the miracles listed above, the church only says : “can be trusted…”, this is the “full approval formula”, people are free to believe or not
 
It’s interesting that we hear about miracles, like the tree and others with animals saying “allah”, etc. because the Quran says there will be no more miracles.

The Quran says allah sent a miracle through a she-camel but the people didn’t believe the miracle, so he will be sending no more miracles, except those that are meant to frighten:

Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten. S. 17:59

From “Muhammad and Miracles”:

answering-islam.org/Responses/Azmy/mhd_miracles.htm
 
Here is a link; based on what they “call” a miracle.

geocities.com/islamicmiracles/index.htm

Its much ado about nothing.

geocities.com/islamimiracles/islamic_miracles_232.htm

Do you really believe the above is a miracle?

geocities.com/islamimiracles/islamic_miracles12231.htm
Eden said:
It’s interesting that we hear about miracles, like the tree and others with animals saying “allah”, etc. because the Quran says there will be no more miracles.

The Quran says allah sent a miracle through a she-camel but the people didn’t believe the miracle, so he will be sending no more miracles, except those that are meant to frighten:

Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten. S. 17:59

From “Muhammad and Miracles”:

answering-islam.org/Responses/Azmy/mhd_miracles.htm
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Delta2 said:
I asked this to a muslim :

Does Allah make miracles nowadays?

answer :

Yes, He does. We have seen miracles and we have heard also.

Miracles in the Catholic Church ( full approval )

1347 Siena, Italy St. Catherine
1531 Guadalupe, Mexico St. Juan Diego
1600s Agreda, Spain Venerable Mary of Agreda
1830 Rue Du Bac, France Catherine Laboure
1836 OL of Victories, Paris Father Genettes
1840 Blangy, France Sister Justine Bisqueyburu
1846 La Salette, France Melanie Calvat & Maximin Giraud
1858 Lourdes, France Bernadette Soubirous
1876 Pellevoisin, France Estelle Faguette
1877 Gietrzwald, Poland Justyna Szafrynska, Barbara Samulowska
1879 Knock, Ireland 15 people
1884 Rome, Italy Pope Leo XIII
1904 Poland St. Maximilian Kolbe
1917 Fatima, Portugal Lucia, Francisco, & Jacinta
1918 San Giovanni, Italy St. Padre Pio
1932 Beauraing, Belgium 5 Voisin & Degeimbre children
1933 Banneaux, Belgium Mariette Beco
1937 Poland St. Faustina
1968 Zeitun, Egypt Thousands
1973 Akita, Japan Sister Agnes Sasagawa
1980 Cuapa, Nicaragua Edward Bernardo Martinez

apparitions.org/

I must mention that in some of this miracles there is thousands of eyewitness - Fatima Portugal is one example… notice the link to Muhammad daughter name…and how muslims also love Mary

I was surprised about Egypt and the church approval :eek:

members.aol.com/bjw1106/marian7.htm

I wonder, what miracles Islam have ? they just gave me a vague answer
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I asked this to a Christian

Is there is any Christian Sect, Which says that Jesus pbuh is not God and Son of God. Just curious. Please answer anyone. Thank You Very Much
 
tomshaikh said:
I asked this to a Christian

Is there is any Christian Sect, Which says that Jesus pbuh is not God and Son of God. Just curious. Please answer anyone. Thank You Very Much
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If a group denies the Divinity of Christ, they would not be “Christian”. So, no, there are no Christian sects that deny Jesus is God. For instance, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons are not Christians.
 
Eden said:
If a group denies the Divinity of Christ, they would not be “Christian”. So, no, there are no Christian sects that deny Jesus is God. For instance, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons are not Christians.
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What about unitarium. I read about it little but not sure what their believes. I know uni means “ONE”
 
Unitarianism came out of Protestantism. However, by definition, their beliefs do not fall into the category of Christianity. There are core beliefs that one must maintain in order to be Christian. This includes a belief in the Trinity and in the Divinity of Christ. Unitarians do not fit this criteria.
 
Eden said:
For instance, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons are not Christians.
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Correct, they are non-Christians

Jehovah’s Witnesses thinks about Jesus as Muslims - a man with high qualities

Mormons is a bunch of Gods, and we can be Gods also, what a nice angel revelation
 
tomshaikh said:
What about unitarium. I read about it little but not sure what their believes. I know uni means “ONE”
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Not Christians. Like others have said, the Trinity is fundamental to Christianity, as it always has been, those who deny it are not Christians.
 
Even Coca Cola in Arab has Allah’s name in it.
inJESUS said:
I personally never heard of any such miracles in Islam, the ones i know are Christian saints’ apparitions to Muslims in visions/dreams, or Muslims asking for the intercession of a Christian saint and being granted their prayers…but out of curiosity, i tried to google it…i found these miracles :

Allah’s name on Africa, Allah’s name on our hand, trees in prayer position, Allah’s name on oceans, Mosques survive tsunami, Allah’s name on clouds and the like of what they believe to be miracles.

Zeitun miracle in Egypt was witnessed by Muslims as well.
Click to expand...
 
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