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What Catholic doctrines are taught in those books. What are the Verses?
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RJS
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2 Macc. 12:43–45
Probably the biggest is Purgatory (praying for dead) in Macabees. Even though there is a lot of evidence throughout the rest of the Bible.
2 Macc. 12:43–45
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Apologia100
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It has to be remembered that that Catholic Church takes all of the Word of God into context when it comes to fomulating her doctrine, the written word is only half of the deposit of faith. So, getting into verse slinging doesn’t prove or disprove inspiration. The bible was born out of the Church, not the other way around. The books in the Deuterocanon are inspired because the Church has infallibly determined that they are, and the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
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copland
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Wisdom 2:10-24, which is the clearest prophecy about Jesus’ passion in the entire Scriptures.
Sirach 5:13-14 matches with James 1:19, Wisdom 2:12-20 with Matthew 27:41-43, and 1 Maccabees 4:36-59 and 2 Maccabees 10:1-8 with John 10:22-36.
In 2 Maccabees chapter 12, they pray for the souls of the dead. This passage is significant in that it contradicts justification by faith alone, and supports the idea of purgatory
Tobit 12:12 where the angel Raphael presents Tobit’s and Sarah’s prayers to God. This is an example of intercessory prayer instead of praying “direct to God”.
The early Church Fathers quote the deuters so many times in their writings, which also means that Tradition has had a great deal of a demand for the deuters. Read any Church Father and notice the footnotes that sow the qutoes from the Scriptures, such as Augustine who quoted the Scripture almost 43,000 times in all his writings. He makes reference to the deuters many times in order to prove a point.
I am sure if you do a search you can find a list of all the doctrines found in the deuterocanonicals. I just gave a few.
Sirach 5:13-14 matches with James 1:19, Wisdom 2:12-20 with Matthew 27:41-43, and 1 Maccabees 4:36-59 and 2 Maccabees 10:1-8 with John 10:22-36.
In 2 Maccabees chapter 12, they pray for the souls of the dead. This passage is significant in that it contradicts justification by faith alone, and supports the idea of purgatory
Tobit 12:12 where the angel Raphael presents Tobit’s and Sarah’s prayers to God. This is an example of intercessory prayer instead of praying “direct to God”.
The early Church Fathers quote the deuters so many times in their writings, which also means that Tradition has had a great deal of a demand for the deuters. Read any Church Father and notice the footnotes that sow the qutoes from the Scriptures, such as Augustine who quoted the Scripture almost 43,000 times in all his writings. He makes reference to the deuters many times in order to prove a point.
I am sure if you do a search you can find a list of all the doctrines found in the deuterocanonicals. I just gave a few.
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montanaman
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Apologia already beat me to it, but I just wanted to add my two cents…
The discussion is already teetering off track by assuming that Catholic beliefs are taught solely from the Bible. Leafs writes, “What Catholic doctrines are taught in those books. What are the Verses?”
I think Catholics and Protestants can still have fruitful, productive discussions, but the Protestant has to go a certain length in understanding how/why a Catholic believes something. We already know how Protestants came to certain conclusions, and I understand that the way we come to ours is a bit perplexing. But still, the Protestant has to stretch his comfort zone a bit and realize all truth, Christian or otherwise, can’t be found in in the bite-sized, bumper-sticker proof text.
Sola Scriptura will probably be debated elsewhere, ad nauseum, so go there for more discussion. We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion of the fullness of the Bible…
The discussion is already teetering off track by assuming that Catholic beliefs are taught solely from the Bible. Leafs writes, “What Catholic doctrines are taught in those books. What are the Verses?”
I think Catholics and Protestants can still have fruitful, productive discussions, but the Protestant has to go a certain length in understanding how/why a Catholic believes something. We already know how Protestants came to certain conclusions, and I understand that the way we come to ours is a bit perplexing. But still, the Protestant has to stretch his comfort zone a bit and realize all truth, Christian or otherwise, can’t be found in in the bite-sized, bumper-sticker proof text.
Sola Scriptura will probably be debated elsewhere, ad nauseum, so go there for more discussion. We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion of the fullness of the Bible…
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