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SuscipeMeDomine
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I’m guessing events must be over by Sunday afternoon. Have you considered attending a Sunday evening Mass either close to home or on your way home?
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getysbg
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Yes, thank you, but it doesn’t always work out. Finding a church in the hills of VA or WV can be a trip and where I live now doesn’t offer a Sunday evening Mass. Again, thank you for your suggestions.
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otjm
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It was not my intent to cut you off at the knees, but yes, that is how it came across.Seriously? Because that was not my honest intent and if my lack of ability to express myself in writing sounded that way, I sincerely ask for forgiveness.
In all the years of my life (and I was born in the 40’s) I have had the rare occasion to ask for such permission, and it has been granted. And I have been confronted by others who have implied that I was less than morally right to have such vacations. Actually, implied is way too soft a word. It was said to me on more than one occasion that I didn’t “need” to take such vacations, with a lot of stress on the issue of need.
If someone wants to refuse to go on such a vacation, that is absolutely and entirely within their right.
It is not, however, within their moral right to insinuate that I am somehow less “Catholic”, or less moral, for asking for permission which the Church, in its prudential judgment, provides. I simply will not tolerate someone standing in judgment of me, looking done the end of their nose, and “tut-tutting”. I am responsible to Christ, and use my pastor for such judgments. And having heard comments somewhat similar to yours, I entered the fray.
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MarkInOregon
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You’re sure Pope Francis would applaud choosing to attend a reenactment over worshiping God, praying and receiving the Eucharist?
The peace of Christ,
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Country_Gal
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Hoosier_Daddy
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I would encourage you to learn more about the Pope…Yes
Playing pretend war over living a requirement of the faith, is not something Pope Francis would approve of.
You do know that Jesus HIMSELF if present at the Eucharist. I am curious why that reenactment is not more important.
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Jon_S_1
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(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)I would encourage you to learn more about the Pope…
Playing pretend war over living a requirement of the faith, is not something Pope Francis would approve of.
You do know that Jesus HIMSELF if present at the Eucharist. I am curious why that reenactment is not more important.
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Country_Gal
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I, likewise, encourage you to educate yourself. God Bless.I would encourage you to learn more about the Pope…
Playing pretend war over livingTV a requirement of the faith, is not something Pope Francis would approve of.
You do know that Jesus HIMSELF if present at the Eucharist. I am curious why that reenactment is not more important.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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No problem. I have learned where Pope Francis has said that he is a son of the Church. And then I learned that the CCC ways this.I, likewise, encourage you to educate yourself. God Bless.
I am unaware where the Pope has given guidance against the obligation to attend Mass. Not only that but to suggest that this Pope is “not about the rules” and therefore the rules don’t matter or can be broken is a gross misrepresentation of the Vicar of Christ on earth.
But what would it matter if you were right? If Pope Francis said x and pope JP2 said y. Each Catholic would still be bound by the “rules” of Christ. The Rules of the Catholic Church.
Is it so important to stick it to the “rule followers” that we forget CHrist Himself on the Cross waiting for us at Mass. His Broken Body sacrificed for us and for love? Or should gaming and roleplay be what we lay at the foot of the cross?
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otjm
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You are positing a false dichotomy. According to your standard, it would never be permissible to go on a vacation where you might not be able to attend Sunday Mass.I would encourage you to learn more about the Pope…
Playing pretend war over living a requirement of the faith, is not something Pope Francis would approve of.
You do know that Jesus HIMSELF if present at the Eucharist. I am curious why that reenactment is not more important.
It is perfectly fine for you to be exceedingly rigorous in your faith; but it is not your right to publicly criticize another based on your more rigorous interpretation of the requirement to attend Mass on Sunday, when the Church itself does not impose such a rigorous interpretation, and by your comment in this thread, you are effectively imposing your interpretation on the OP.
The Church does not judge the matter based on whether it is a matter of playing war or it is a matter of going hunting, or going to China for a tour.
Christ Himself had something to say when He was challenged for not keeping the Sabbath law; His detractors were adamant that Christ had broken the Law on the Sabbath; Christ’s comment was that man was not made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man.
Some priests are rigorists; some are lax, and the majority have sufficient training in Moral Theology that they would grant someone what, from the OP’s comments, seems to be a rare occasion of vacation which because of the specific circumstances would prevent him from attending.
That is not to say that the OP’s pastor would grant permission, but it absolutely is not out of the realm of a very real possibility.
Had you said that in your own personal practice you would not go on any vacation which would cause you to miss Mass, there would be no problem; but you stated it in an either/or question to another poster, which effectively states it to the OP.
I have no problem with you taking a very rigorous position; you are responsible to Christ for your choices and following your conscience. But when the Church takes a less rigorous position, whether or not you approve of that, it is not your position to criticize someone else, and that is how your comparison of the two comes across. Given that the Church does not judge the matter in that format (playing war vs. the reenactment of Christ’s sacrifice), then you comment comes across as manipulative.
And it is not like you do not know the rule; you quoted the CCC which states that the pastor can give permission.
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