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I. It is hard to deal with other people telling you are in state of mortal sin, when you are just trying your best. Sunday school always said if you died with a mortal sin on your soul, and did not confess it, then grave things would happen to you. Is that a way to live?
Yes, it is, because then one doesn’t want to commit sins. Then they start to learn about the love of God, and lose the desire to commit sins.

Being in a state of mortal sin is not trying your best. Don’t empty the cross of its power…It is not impossible to be free from mortal sin.
 
I think that people on this board need to think about who they are addressing, what age, what level of knowledge of the faith, and other things. I know that I have read things that make me sad, because everyone on the boards thinks that something is a mortal sin, and it may be something that I don’t think twice about, as I have grown up in a different time. It is hard to deal with other people telling you are in state of mortal sin, when you are just trying your best. Sunday school always said if you died with a mortal sin on your soul, and did not confess it, then grave things would happen to you.** Is that a way to live?**
It’s the way Our Lord tells us to live - ‘if you love Me you will keep My commandments’. We are not telling anyone that they are in a state of mortal sin - it would only be mortal sin if you knew its gravity beforehand and wilfully did it anyway. You, it appears, didn’t. But you do now. Just as someone who progresses from pedestrian to licenced driver needs to learn and abide by a whole new set of rules - the traffic laws which are appropriate to their new situation.

Read the Gospels - He spoke of sin, of Hell, and of the reality of eternal damnation (‘the outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth’) frequently. He taught us the responsibility as well as the joy and love and inestimable privilege that comes with serving Him - ‘to whom much is given, of him will much be expected’.

Yes it is difficult for anyone coming to these things for the first time - whether as a child, teen or adult, not that age matters. I certainly knew and understood about the Sunday obligation from my earliest memory - not that fear of Hell was especially impressed on me in its teaching, simply the idea that this is what God wants and expects of us, and since we love Him we will do what pleases Him and not ourselves.
The martha9 is concerned about her relationship with God, and all anyone has to say about it is that she will commit a mortal sin if she misses mass this once because of a field trip, unless she does all these thing to either get the dispensation from a priest or try to find a church wherever she is going. She is a teenager, and does not have the ability to make things happen that are around her.
Again, we’re not telling her she is in mortal sin, rather we are helping her to avoid mortal sin. if someone told you they were contemplating stealing, or murder, would you not try to talk them out of it if you could? Try to find ways that they could achieve what they wanted WITHOUT resorting to sin?

All she has to do is spend literally half a minute with her pastor - either on the phone, or before or after Mass, ask for permission to miss Mass next weekend because she’s on a schooltrip, he says yes verbally, and that’s it. It’s the least complicated thing in the world to do - yet how sad if she were to a) show so little interest in the commandment to keep the Sabbath Holy and b) show so little disdain for the guidance of Christ’s Church, that she failed to do such a simple thing.

A lot of particularly great saints have been teenagers and young people - St Maria Goretti, who died rather than submit to rape. St Dominic Savio who willingly took the blame for something his classmate did rather than tell tales. Bernadette who at the age of 14 was gifted with apparitions from Our Lady - and who came across much stiff opposition, even from her own parents, church and secular officials, but overcame it all. The young children of Fatima had similar difficulties getting authorities to believe when Our Lady appeared to them. Teenage is not too young to begin forming a strong moral character by any means.
 
I am a student about to go on a field trip with my school. However, the trip is over the weekend and I won’t be able to go to mass. I go to a public school and since there’s a separation of church and school, and other issues, I probably wont be able to go to a church even if there is one near by.
I wanted to know if its a mortal sin if I miss mass during such circumstances.
Yes. Go to confession as soon as possible and ask forgiveness. You have complete knowledge that missing mass is a mortal sin at this point. It is a grave matter not fulfilling your Sunday obligation and and it is intentional not to ask that you be excused to go to mass. Separation of State and religion means that the government cannot deny you your right to practice in your prospective religion, and also that the government cannot eliminate a religion and start government religions.
 
Yes. Go to confession as soon as possible and ask forgiveness. You have complete knowledge that missing mass is a mortal sin at this point. It is a grave matter not fulfilling your Sunday obligation and and it is intentional not to ask that you be excused to go to mass. Separation of State and religion means that the government cannot deny you your right to practice in your prospective religion, and also that the government cannot eliminate a religion and start government religions.
Tob - with all respect, she has not at this stage committed any sin whatsoever, she has neither missed Mass yet nor formed the intention to do so. If she had formed such an intent she wouldn’t even be asking the question.

And she still has more than enough opportunity (since she’s not going on her trip for over a week) of seeking and gaining a dispensation from her pastor, which would permit her to miss Mass without sin.
 
Alright, that’s fine. When I went to confess this mortal sin to my priest, he smiled real big, kinda chuckled, and told me that it was not a something that was a mortal sin. And I read the catechism yesterday, it calls it a grave sin (not mortal) but when there is no priest or place to worship, it is sufficient to prayer and reflect the same amount of time that you would to worship at mass on Sunday.
I don’t know the circumstances of your confession, but I do know the Church’s rule on Holy Mass. Sunday is a Holy Day of Obligation for every Catholic and can be missed only with dispensation. Grave sin is not mortal sin? Check your definition of mortal sin and consider what it means by “grave matter”. Grave. Think about it.
And anyway, most of you who are posting are much older than high school I do believe. What do you have to say about holding different standards for different people. Or better yet what does the Church say? Is a 9 year old still accountable for all of the things that he or she does as does a 30 year old, at least in the eyes of God, who instituted the church? I know in crimes, they do not count the same, but what does the Church say?
The Church does not promote relativism, indeed, the Holy Father has famously preached against the “Dictatorship of Relativism”. Catholics above the age of reason (generally when you make your First Communion, sometime around age 7 or 8) are bound to the laws of the Church.

Please do not give bad advice.
 
I think that people on this board need to think about who they are addressing, what age, what level of knowledge of the faith, and other things. I know that I have read things that make me sad, because everyone on the boards thinks that something is a mortal sin, and it may be something that I don’t think twice about, as I have grown up in a different time. It is hard to deal with other people telling you are in state of mortal sin, when you are just trying your best. Sunday school always said if you died with a mortal sin on your soul, and did not confess it, then grave things would happen to you. Is that a way to live?
Agreed, to a point. A conscience grows and develops over time. You can inform your conscience. Part of an informed conscience is knowing the rules to which you are held accountable. Age isn’t an issue. Honestly, it’s not.
The martha9 is concerned about her relationship with God, and all anyone has to say about it is that she will commit a mortal sin if she misses mass this once because of a field trip, unless she does all these thing to either get the dispensation from a priest or try to find a church wherever she is going. She is a teenager, and does not have the ability to make things happen that are around her.
She has every ability to call the parish and inquire about dispensation. They’ll answer the phone. I promise. By now it may be too late-- if she has not made arrangements for Sunday by Thursday, time’s running out. But age is not an issue.
I may be confusing things, but I feel that the answer is not just a yes or no ordeal, specifically in the case of a student. And that things need to be seen in context.
It is a yes or no deal. Even in the case of a student.
 
With all due respect. Am I the only one reading this thread, or these forums, that can’t believe some of these answers? I FULLY understand church teaching on missing mass on Sunday. However, I also FULLY believe that our Lord, or LOVING Lord, is not going to send someone to eternal damnation for missing mass in a circumstance such as this. I’m sure I’ll get some replies to this stating, “but this is what the church teaches”. You must put God before all other things". Yes, I agree with that. heck, I trouble myself with these things when I take vacations that do not include anywhere nearby to go to mass.

I often wonder if the Lord is sitting up there, laughing to himself, at how much thought some people will put into what is most likely a trivial thing to him. For reference, I am NOT saying missing mass is trivial at all, but if you honestly believe that God is going to condemn someone for missing mass once, when there was no easy way to go, and you DO regret it, then you must worhip a different God than I.

I’m not saying getting a depensation is a bad thing, or attempting to get to mass if you CAN is not good as well, but sheesh, lighten up a bit. 🙂
 
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