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So when people are talking about copying, they aren’t talking about Mitra, they’re talking about Mithras, who Christianity ALSO did NOT copy from?
Christianity is unique! Our Lord Jesus Christ, out of pure love, was born, lived, taught, freely offered His Life in a most painful way, and then Rose from the dead, and shortly thereafter Ascended, and sent us the Holy Spirit.

Nothing like it has ever happened before, nor will it happen again!

If we pick up our cross and follow Him, He will do the same for us!

Alleluia!

Our Lady, Seat of Wisdom, pray for us!
 
So when people are talking about copying, they aren’t talking about Mitra, they’re talking about Mithras, who Christianity ALSO did NOT copy from?
Yes: they mean Mithras.

There are a couple of statements from Justin Martyr, that Roman Mithras cultists ca. 150 held a ritual meal in mockery of the Christian communion. This gets blown up into some kind of claim of borrowing, and then the claim is made that because Mithras “was first” that “proves” that Christians borrowed from Mithras. The lack of logic and reason in all this irritates Mithras scholars.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
 
Yes: they mean Mithras.

There are a couple of statements from Justin Martyr, that Roman Mithras cultists ca. 150 held a ritual meal in mockery of the Christian communion. This gets blown up into some kind of claim of borrowing, and then the claim is made that because Mithras “was first” that “proves” that Christians borrowed from Mithras. The lack of logic and reason in all this irritates Mithras scholars.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
And Christianity wasn’t copied from Mitra, either, right?
 
I’ve certainly replied to that at least twice now.

I think I’ll fade out here.
 
It most certainly was not copied from Mithraism!
I now know that Christianity wasn’t copied from Mithra and Mithras, but what I’m getting at is, is it certain that Christianity wasn’t copied from MITRA?
 
I now know that Christianity wasn’t copied from Mithra and Mithras, but what I’m getting at is, is it certain that Christianity wasn’t copied from MITRA?
Yes.

Is there another way you can ask it?

GKC
 
I understand that, but what I’ve been googling and trying to find out is if Christianity was copied from MITRA.
nope not at all like our God :rolleyes: :eek: 👍

Mithra’s birthday was December 25 and that was grafted onto Christianity during the 3rd or 4th centuries. While Jesus was born of a women, the birth of Mithra is in no way similar. There’s nothing at all about a manger, three magi, etc. Some claimed Mithra was born of a virgin; he wasn’t born of a women at all. According to scholars,
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In Mithraic Studies it stated that Mithras was born as an adult from solid rock, "wearing his Phrygian cap, issues forth from the rocky mass. As yet only his bare torso is visible. In each hand he raises aloft a lighted torch and, as an unusual detail, red flames shoot out all around him... (Wiki)
also mithraism went extinct before the 400’s ad

" It seems likely to have originated in Asia Minor (Turkey) that was once under Persian control until Alexander the Great. Greek philosophy and culture was the main influence in Christianity. (All the of Gospels were written in Greek, and Paul, a Hellenized Jew, was from Tarsus in Asia Minor. Most of the Church Fathers were Greeks or cultural Greeks.)

Mithraism was an initiatory order, passed from initiate to initiate, like the Eleusinian Mysteries. (Gnosticism and Christianity did this at first, but were written down.) It was not based on a body of scripture, and hence very little written documentary evidence survives. the lower nobility appeared to be the most plentiful followers of Mithraism. Recently revealed discrepancies such as these suggest that Mithraic beliefs were (contra the older supposition) not internally consistent and monolithic and varied at every location. This is the problem with secretive “religions” lacking a written scripture.

We just don’t know much. No Mithraic scripture or first-hand written account of its highly secret rituals survives, except perhaps a 4th century papyrus, thought to be “atypical.” It likely drew from other traditions or modified them. " Jesus also did not butchered any sacred bull.
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         Many Christian bashers attempt to meld the Christian Trinity with Mithra, but this is false. To quote,

In Zoroastrianism, Mithra is a member of the trinity of ahuras, protectors of asha/arta, "truth" or "[that which is] right". Mithra's standard appellation is "of wide pastures" suggesting omnipresence.  As preserver of covenants, Mithra is also protector and keeper of all aspects of interpersonal relationships, such as friendship and love. Related to his position as protector of truth, Mithra is a judge (ratu), ensuring that individuals who break promises or are not righteous (artavan) are not admitted to paradise.
The original Mithra had nothing to do with God the Father of Judaism/Christianity nor was the original Mithra God at all. The syncretistic’ Greeks/Romans had an annoying habit of hijacking other “gods” and making them their own.

There were so many evolving cults and religions one could always find something in common with Christianity somewhere. Greeks and Romans alike grafted old gods into their new gods. Christianity and it’s sister Gnosticism arose from Judaism because of the impact of Hellenism, the merging of Greek philosophy and culture with other religions such as Zoroastrianism. Judaism and Zoroastrianism seemed to have transformed each other during earlier periods. Christianity has more in common with Gnosticism by far than Mithraism.

The claims that Jesus, Mithra, and Sol Evictus are all the same is false. Any similarity with things such as holidays and saints was a product of later Christian syncretism with pagan deities. They will seem similar because they evolved from the same general culture. It’s just as likely these religions borrowed from Christianity as the other way around.

"The scholars are almost totally agreed. Christianity did not borrow from Mithraism. The claimed parallels are mostly invented, and Mithraism came on the scene too late. The “evidence” for the claims is mostly based on outdated authors whose views have long since been overturned by historians. But the claims get repeated on the internet, and they seem to have authority (until they are examined).

[The late Prof Gary Lease of the University of California:
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"After almost 100 years of unremitting labor, the conclusion appears inescapable that neither Mithraism nor Christianity proved to be an obvious and direct influence upon the other"](http://www.is-there-a-god.info/belief/jesus-and-mithras.shtml#)
God bless
 
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