Mohammad's third wife

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What some christian practices of “Christian” Europe and those fuedal societies of those times…"

What was done in Europe at that time was wrong as well.

My point is I guess… is a that “holy” prophet should not of married and had intercoarse with a 9 year old… Is that “holy”?.. I think not.

It was wrong then and it is wrong now.

In the end there has to be moral absolutes, and I think marrying and having intercoarse with a 9 year old is a moral absolute.
 
gandolf said:
What some christian practices of “Christian” Europe and those fuedal societies of those times…"

What was done in Europe at that time was wrong as well.

My point is I guess… is a that “holy” prophet should not of married and had intercoarse with a 9 year old… Is that “holy”?.. I think not.

It was wrong then and it is wrong now.

In the end there has to be moral absolutes, and I think marrying and having intercoarse with a 9 year old is a moral absolute.
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In that society and many others this girl WAS A WOMAN. They were married. She could bear children. She was a wife and mother. That our modern sensibilities now define “child” differently than humanity did 1400 plus years ago does not make it “wrong”…just different.

That he married, legally and religiously in his time and culture and it was the norm of society does not make it “wrong”…certainly “wrong” now as our modern culture had redefiined what is right and wrong but what was not wrong then.

“Moral absolute”??? Certainly that is a “modern” defintion of “morality”…not embraced then as normative. It took some 1300 years for society to define it’s “wrongness”? Only to our modern sensibilities is it “wrong”.
 
A 6 year old marring a 53 year old “holly man- man of God” is not a woman

She cannot be a mother

She cannot be a wife

She cannot have children

Oh, right, he waited until she was 9 to “deflower” her.

A 9 year old cannot be a mother, she is still a baby herself

A 9 year old cannot be a wife to a husband 5 decades older than her

She came to his house with her dolls…!!!

I don’t care if it was 10,000 years ago, 5,000 years ago, 1,400 year ago.

No wonder this poor child never had any children. She was 18-19 years of age when her mohamad died.

God only knows what mohamad did to her “womanhood”… :mad:

And to boot, the so called prophet of islam had conditions that no one can marry his wives if and when he dies…

Poor Aishia… left as a widow at the age of 18 and without children…

This man we are talking about is suppose to be the “pillar” of righteousness, man of allah, messenger of allahs message…allah’s prophet…

It’s right down nasty and allah told him to marry Aisha at the age of 6 - hey - the prophet of allah already had 2 wives by the time he married her - what the heck -

Why do you need a 6 year old…???

But like I said Mr. Publisher… you have your opinion and say-so, and I have mine…!!
 
Friend, do you know for sure she had not reached puberty by the age of 9? Since we’re comparing modern occurances against 1400 years ago…my youngest sister entered puberty by age 9…had her first period…by age 11 she had develped large breasts. She is now 40 and just had her double d size breasts reduced as she was having back trouble. She passed for 18 when she was 13.

I believe you make many assumptions, as do I concerning the mores of the 7th century and the development of young girls.

Yes, we both have our opinions.
 
jakasaki said:
However,… we are talking about a “prophet” of God or allah, by the name of mohamad - and mohamad said that allah made this lawful, allah told mohamad to marry little Aishia at the age of 6 and he was 53 - !!! :mad:
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http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif well said, he suppose to be a “prophet”, an example for everyone to follow…
Publisher said:
Any “prophet” is a product of the time and culture in which they live…7th century norms in Arabia are not impacted by 21st century beliefs of Christians…neither is 7th century, 10th century, 16th century Europe nor is 17th, 18th and 19th century American practices.
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http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif I completely disagree, if he was a real prophet, then GOD would have instructed him not to do so, because GOD knows that he will be an example for his followers in the 21st century…
 
Sam_777 said:
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http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif well said, he suppose to be a “prophet”, an example for everyone to follow…

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif I completely disagree, if he was a real prophet, then GOD would have instructed him not to do so, because GOD knows that he will be an example for his followers in the 21st century…
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I no more believe that God would “instruct” prophets millenia removed from modern times to order their lives as “modern 21st century” men would is a bit beyond my ability to embrace…no more than I would accept that the prophets of the Hebrew scriptures to order their lives and instructions to “kill every man woman and child” in any given city “god” told them to destroy.

Since I cannot embrace such beliefs…our basis for discussion has no real meaning…we are coming from two different places in understanding the role of “prophet” and “God” in human history.
 
jakasaki said:
You are compairing things going on in society for centuries with young girls being married off. - OK - I get it - it happened and it still happens.

However,… we are talking about a “prophet” of God or allah, by the name of mohamad - and mohamad said that allah made this lawful, allah told mohamad to marry little Aishia at the age of 6 and he was 53 - !!! :mad:
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Hi Pam! Couldn’t have said it better! And this is the man who is the role model for Muslim men!

Vickie
 
What ever the age, 6 or 9 years is disgusting. To have sex with a 9 year old… Was he too disgusting for people his own age?

95% of people on earth have better morals than Muhammed. If he really was marrying with acceptance from God, then doesn’t that make our morals better than God’s?

Muhammed just did whatever he liked and said “God allows it”.
 
If the Quran contains the scientific forknowledge which many Muslims claim, shouldn’t it have known that having intercourse with a nine year old girl would leave her psychologically and physically messed up? Couldn’t it leave her with some kind of internal bleeding or intestinal disorder such as irritable bowel syndrome? Yes.

On a side note, if any Muslims are tired of Christians refuting everything Islam stands for on the basis that Muhammed was an immoral guy who had sex with underage children, you could bring up the argument that abuse of children is such a sin in the eyes of God that, well, didn’t God actually allow Israel to be destroyed at one point partially due to the fact that they adopted pagan practices such as rolling babies into the fire?
 
Publisher said:
Friend, do you know for sure she had not reached puberty by the age of 9? Since we’re comparing modern occurances against 1400 years ago…my youngest sister entered puberty by age 9…had her first period…by age 11 she had develped large breasts. She is now 40 and just had her double d size breasts reduced as she was having back trouble. She passed for 18 when she was 13.

I believe you make many assumptions, as do I concerning the mores of the 7th century and the development of young girls.

Yes, we both have our opinions.
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i think its safe to say 1400 years ago, a 9 year old was still a child. and comparing the developement of girls today, to 1400 years ago? we have a much different diet, and yes. young ladies mature much more quickly. my daughter sure did. but sex with a 9 year old is not different in any time frame. its child rape. would you defend n.a.m.b.l.a. today? or are they just as you say… different? anyone who would say having intercourse with any 9 year old is just different not wrong. has seriously lost their moral compass. i hope you dont have any daughters. 😦
 
benidict said:
i think its safe to say 1400 years ago, a 9 year old was still a child. and comparing the developement of girls today, to 1400 years ago? we have a much different diet, and yes. young ladies mature much more quickly. my daughter sure did. but sex with a 9 year old is not different in any time frame. its child rape. would you defend n.a.m.b.l.a. today? or are they just as you say… different? anyone who would say having intercourse with any 9 year old is just different not wrong. has seriously lost their moral compass. i hope you dont have any daughters. 😦
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99.999% of women do NOT reach puberty at 9 years of age. That is the age of a child who is biologically underaged to engage in any form of mating session. Additionally, a man who is aroused by such a child is termed in our time and age as a pedophile because 99.999% of men do not get aroused by little girls.

Now, to talk about the remaining 0.001 percent who is not of the norm is quite sensitive because we have to either accept that one of them is not normal or both are not.

So, either the child was raped by a pedophile, or the child was deliberately made mature by some ‘un-natural’ forces, in which case, that force that made her mature for mating with the old man would rightly be categorised as pimpish in nature

There is really no 3rd option here. The arrow points either at the man or at his ‘deity’. And those who rejects this simple logic is in clear delusion.

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Hipeeon said:
99.999% of women do NOT reach puberty at 9 years of age. That is the age of a child who is biologically underaged to engage in any form of mating session. Additionally, a man who is aroused by such a child is termed in our time and age as a pedophile because 99.999% of men do not get aroused by little girls.

Now, to talk about the remaining 0.001 percent who is not of the norm is quite sensitive because we have to either accept that one of them is not normal or both are not.

So, either the child was raped by a pedophile, or the child was deliberately made mature by some ‘un-natural’ forces, in which case, that force that made her mature for mating with the old man would rightly be categorised as pimpish in nature

There is really no 3rd option here. The arrow points either at the man or at his ‘deity’. And those who rejects this simple logic is in clear delusion.

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thank you my friend. 👍 and publisher can believe it when i say, that if you and i agree on something, its got to be the truth. 😃 peace:)
 
Girls were usually married at around age 12, not at age 9. Some girls today can have a period at 8 or 9, but they are still physically very small and look like children. Consumating a marriage on a girl that age causes very harmful physical problems for her. A girl that age is usually not able to carry a child to term, or sometimes even get pregnant at all, and periods can be irregular. Yes, a 5-year-old had a baby c. 1930, but that is very rare.
 
stephe1987 said:
Girls were usually married at around age 12, not at age 9. Some girls today can have a period at 8 or 9, but they are still physically very small and look like children. Consumating a marriage on a girl that age causes very harmful physical problems for her. A girl that age is usually not able to carry a child to term, or sometimes even get pregnant at all, and periods can be irregular. Yes, a 5-year-old had a baby c. 1930, but that is very rare.
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hi stephe, the reason they look like children, is because they ARE children. if an older male touched one of my children before they reached the age of majority, well, im a soldier, so you do the math. my daughter is now of age, and there were no problems. i kept her away from people who were problems, that we knew about. and taught her about self respect and survival in this day and age. i think fathers need to take a more active role, in protecting their own. Peace
 
stephe1987 said:
Girls were usually married at around age 12, not at age 9. Some girls today can have a period at 8 or 9, but they are still physically very small and look like children. Consumating a marriage on a girl that age causes very harmful physical problems for her. A girl that age is usually not able to carry a child to term, or sometimes even get pregnant at all, and periods can be irregular. Yes, a 5-year-old had a baby c. 1930, but that is very rare.
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hi stephe, the reason they look like children, probably has to do with the fact that they ARE children. peace
 
The only reason some girls go through puberty earlier today is due to weird hormones in chicken and stuff. Besides, just because a nine year old has breasts doesn’t make it ok to do as you please. Why didn’t he find an attractive middle aged woman or not mention that marriage? Surely someone who expected existing Christians to accept him would have done the 5 minutes of research necessary to realize that that would be scandalous to Christians and Jews.
 
famdigy said:
Aisha was not a child when the Prophet married her.

alqatrah.org/en/edara/index.php?id=91
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This is from your link:

“In spite of the fact that the account of the Prophet’s marriage (Allah’s Peace and Blessings upon Him and His pure Family) to A’isha when she was a child is not told by anyone else but A’isha herself – we find no hadith nabawi or any other hadith from a reliable source about it – the enemies of Islam continue to spread these lies dreamt up by A’isha without any proper historical research. They just rely on the accounts to be found in the Bakri sect’s sources.”

Why don’t you believe her claims? Because if what she stated is true, it makes your prophet look bad? Muhammad had no witnesses in the cave when he proclaimed himself a prophet and told the story about the Angel Gabriel’s visiting him, yet you accept that without question.

That reference about “the enemies of Islam spreading lies” is ludicrous but not surprising, since those writings about Aisha come from Islamic sources.

Vickie
 
Booklover said:
since those writings about Aisha come from Islamic sources.
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Two authentic sources, Muslim and Bukhari, anyone says otherwise, she/he should point out the authentic hadith about it…

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309:
“'A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah’s Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.”

صحيح مسلم - النكاح - تزويج الأب البكر الصغيرة:
تزوجني رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏لست سنين ‏ ‏وبنى بي ‏ ‏وأنا بنت تسع سنين قالت فقدمنا ‏ ‏المدينة ‏ ‏فوعكت ‏ ‏شهرا ‏ ‏فوفى ‏ ‏شعري ‏ ‏جميمة ‏ ‏فأتتني ‏ ‏أم رومان ‏ ‏وأنا على أرجوحة ومعي صواحبي فصرخت بي فأتيتها وما أدري ما تريد بي فأخذت بيدي فأوقفتني على الباب فقلت هه هه حتى ذهب نفسي فأدخلتني بيتا فإذا نسوة من ‏ ‏الأنصار ‏ ‏فقلن على الخير والبركة وعلى خير ‏ ‏طائر ‏ ‏فأسلمتني إليهن فغسلن رأسي وأصلحنني فلم ‏ ‏يرعني ‏ ‏إلا ورسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ضحى فأسلمنني إليه ‏
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
“*Narrated 'Aisha:*that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).”

صحيح البخاري - النكاح - إنكاح الرجل ولده الصغار:
حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن يوسف ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سفيان ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏هشام ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبيه ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏ ‏رضي الله عنها ‏
أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏تزوجها وهي بنت ست سنين وأدخلت عليه وهي بنت تسع ومكثت عنده تسعا ‏
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