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Big_Easy_Big
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What are the requirements for a parish priest to be “promoted” or named a monsignor?
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puzzleannie
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it is not so much a promotion as an honorary title given to a priest who has given notable service to the diocese in some way. It is given by the bishop. Bishops and cardinals on the other hand can only be promoted and designated by the Pope.
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Saint_Andrew
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Hello
I tend to find that monsignor have a good chance of being elected a bishop, rather than a priest, so far here I have not known any priest been elected as bishop without being a monsginor prior to becoming one.
God Bless
Saint Andrew.
I tend to find that monsignor have a good chance of being elected a bishop, rather than a priest, so far here I have not known any priest been elected as bishop without being a monsginor prior to becoming one.
God Bless
Saint Andrew.
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misericordie
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Saint Andrew:
Not accurate: how does this explain religious order priests who become bishops? This title is given only to diocese clegy. Most I have met are involved in diocesan politics. Though I have met many who are HUMBLE, sincere, and compassionate, and reflect not careerism, but CHRIST.
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KCT
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I fully expect our pastor to be named a monsignor one day!
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chicago
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A bishop has the prerogitave of recommending respected priests to the Holy See to be appointed monsignori (the pope just rubber stamps his selections). Nowadays, it’s laregly just an honorary title. There are like 3 ranks of monsignori, the highest being some guys in Rome who formally have to be monsignors by their canonical position. A local bishop can choose to name priests to these ranks or not.
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marty1818
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I believe the Monsignor at my parish earned his title by helping out on the CCC.
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Sir_Knight
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Don’t be too sure about that. At my previous parish, our pastor basicly saved the church. The buildings were in really bad shape and the church was short of funds to fix things up because people stopped comming and contributing due to the bad shape of things. Over the course of several years, he hired the local homeless people giving them food and room & board in exchange for their help in fixing up the church.
Not only did he get cheap labor but he was getting dozens of homeless people back on their feet and back into the community again. Plus, he fixed up the church and saved the parish from drifting off to nowhere land. IMHO, I thought he should have DEFINITELY been made a monsignor but it didn’t happen.
On the other hand, at the parish where I am now, we have THREE monsignors on staff and one priest – I never saw something like that before.
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mercygate
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Monsignor is a papal title, not a diocesan one.
My confessor, a Monsignor, has just been raised from the first degree, “Private Chaplain to His Holiness” to “Prelate of Honor.” The third level is “Protonotary Apostolic.”
Indeed, last time the Archdiocese needed a new bishop, my confessor was on the “short list.” Bullet missed his ear by an inch!
My confessor, a Monsignor, has just been raised from the first degree, “Private Chaplain to His Holiness” to “Prelate of Honor.” The third level is “Protonotary Apostolic.”
Indeed, last time the Archdiocese needed a new bishop, my confessor was on the “short list.” Bullet missed his ear by an inch!
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Brendan
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Saint Andrew:
Come to think of it, the opposite seems to be true in my diocese. Fr. Reese (my parent’s pastor now Aux. of Detroit), Fr. Vigneron (now Bishop of Oakland), and Fr.Hurley (the auxililary in charge of our vicariate) were all Ordained Bishop without ever holding the title of Msgr.
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Vox_Borealis
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There used to be a tradition (in the US anyway) to give the title of monsignor to priests who were teachers (or maybe only principals/headmasters). When I lived in Ohio the bishop created a minor controversy by naming a large number of monsignors, and all of them that I knew were involved in some way with a Catholic school.
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PiusXIII
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What’s the difference between Very Rev. Monsignor and Right Rev. Monsignor?
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Chatter163
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Nowadays the titles “Right Rev. Msgr.” and “Very Rev. Msgr.” are no longer used, except where older monsignori still hold these titles from before the 1968 revisions.
It gets rather complicated, but in a nutshell, here goes: Formerly, the lowest rank of monsignori, the papal chamberlains (who were themselves further divided into four groups, yikes!) were titled “The Very Rev. _________.” In most cases, papal chamberlains, as their name implies, were members of the pontifical household in Rome. The higher rank of domestic prelate (now called prelate of honor) was and is the most commonly observed level of monsignor for most American Catholics. This group was formerly titled “Rt. Rev. Msgr. _____.” The highest ranking, and less frequently found, monsignorial rank is that of protonotary apostolic, whom also used to be titled “Right Reverend Monsignor,” followed by P.A. after the name.
Since 1968, all monsignori, regardless of rank, have been simply titled “Reverend Monsignor_______.” Any monisgnori still alive who already were titled Very or Rt. Rev. are still permitted to use the title, though there are not more than a handful in this category.
One could argue that there is one set of circumstances today that might entitle a monsignor to use “The Very Rev. Msgr.______.” A vicar forane, commonly known as a dean, is a priest–usually a pastor–who oversees a deanery, which is a section of a diocese. He does not have authority over the other priests in the area, but he is the bishop’s point man in that part of the diocese, and often communicates the bishop’s policies and wishes to pastors in the deanery, as well as conveys concerns of clergy in the area to the diocese. Vicars forane are usually appointed for terms of several years, then someone else follows, though some bishops do make the appointment permanent (or nearly so). In any event, a dean may either follow his name “The Rev. _______” with the initials V.F. for vicar forane, or he may use the traditional title “The Very Rev. _____.” Local custom usually determines which form is used. If a monsignor, who is already “The Rev. Msgr. _____” were appointed a vicar forane, one could argue that he could then be titled “The Very Rev. Msgr. _______,” since being a dean would entitle him to the extra honorific.
However, as a practical matter, most monsignori already carry the papally-bestowed honorary title of monsignor and do not dare to add “The Very” to their already exatled titles, should a vicariate forane befall them.
It gets rather complicated, but in a nutshell, here goes: Formerly, the lowest rank of monsignori, the papal chamberlains (who were themselves further divided into four groups, yikes!) were titled “The Very Rev. _________.” In most cases, papal chamberlains, as their name implies, were members of the pontifical household in Rome. The higher rank of domestic prelate (now called prelate of honor) was and is the most commonly observed level of monsignor for most American Catholics. This group was formerly titled “Rt. Rev. Msgr. _____.” The highest ranking, and less frequently found, monsignorial rank is that of protonotary apostolic, whom also used to be titled “Right Reverend Monsignor,” followed by P.A. after the name.
Since 1968, all monsignori, regardless of rank, have been simply titled “Reverend Monsignor_______.” Any monisgnori still alive who already were titled Very or Rt. Rev. are still permitted to use the title, though there are not more than a handful in this category.
One could argue that there is one set of circumstances today that might entitle a monsignor to use “The Very Rev. Msgr.______.” A vicar forane, commonly known as a dean, is a priest–usually a pastor–who oversees a deanery, which is a section of a diocese. He does not have authority over the other priests in the area, but he is the bishop’s point man in that part of the diocese, and often communicates the bishop’s policies and wishes to pastors in the deanery, as well as conveys concerns of clergy in the area to the diocese. Vicars forane are usually appointed for terms of several years, then someone else follows, though some bishops do make the appointment permanent (or nearly so). In any event, a dean may either follow his name “The Rev. _______” with the initials V.F. for vicar forane, or he may use the traditional title “The Very Rev. _____.” Local custom usually determines which form is used. If a monsignor, who is already “The Rev. Msgr. _____” were appointed a vicar forane, one could argue that he could then be titled “The Very Rev. Msgr. _______,” since being a dean would entitle him to the extra honorific.
However, as a practical matter, most monsignori already carry the papally-bestowed honorary title of monsignor and do not dare to add “The Very” to their already exatled titles, should a vicariate forane befall them.
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mercygate
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. . . copied that out and put it into my Letitia Baldridge. Many thanks. Source please?
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misericordie
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I repeat.
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Chatter163
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Galles, Duane L.C.M. (1999). Chaplains of His Holiness. Article in the Christifideles (newsletter of the St. Joseph Canonical Foundation), v. 17, n. 2.
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mercygate
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Muchas gracias!
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Grace_and_Glory
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Our chaplain here is a monsignor, and from what I know, relatively young to be a monsignor. Interestingly enough, another monsignor is coming to live in the rectory and will have an office here (although he will be the pastor of a different church). It should be interesting getting used to having two monsignors here, because most of us automatically think of our chaplain just as “Monsignor” rather than as “Monsignor _____.”
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