Moral Fabric of Society

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Dear friends

It is evident and increasingly more and more explicitly evident that the moral fabric of society is breaking down. I believe that the secularisation of society and the increasing exclusion of God are to blame.

I have noticed even in my lifetime how drastically things have declined morally, so I am sure it is even more evident to those who are my senior.

Society is becoming amoral.

So a few questions…

What have you noticed in the moral decline in society and how has it affected your day to day life?

and

What do you think will remedy this destructive decline in morals? Or is it too late, is this generation going to be the morally lost?


Thank you in advance for any replies.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
IMHO this is not new. From stories in the Bible of corrupt society, to my most recent book, The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis, society has had the same problems. Reading Lewis’ book, published in 1942, you would have thought he wrote it this year!

The world has not changed - the temptations of evil have always been there, and always will be.

Depart from me, you evildoers,
that I may keep the commandments of my God.


(Ps 119:115)
 
  1. Everyone seems to think premarital sex is either good or no big deal.
  2. Christians growingly tend to think that oral sex is not sex, that manual genital stimulation is not sex. And so on.
  3. Promiscuity is the model. Even Catholics think it’s OK to kiss lots of people on dates just because it isn’t sex. If romantic involvement with many people is compatible with Catholicism, I’m a camel. If you can’t keep it friends, which is preferable due to love being fickle at a young age, at least keep it exclusive and don’t do it if you don’t hope for engagement and marriage at the end of it.
  4. Teaching is lacking. Lots of prohibitions, half of which are the teachers’ own ideas.
Remedies:

#1: More sex teaching. And proper sex ed. Explain to kids what they can’t put where and for what reasons, instead of telling them sex is bad and hoping their friends will do the rest.

#2: More emphasis on marriage seen as the positive thing, instead of premarital sex as the bad thing. People need to know what’s better than shagging like bunnies and why. They need to know that cutting it at sex doesn’t do the job and that sexuality should be reserved for marriage as much as at all possible, instead of people wondering how far they can play with fire without getting burnt.

#3: Know your emotions. Keep them in a firm grasp. If you can’t keep it friends, keep it exclusive. If you can’t keep it exclusive, don’t do it at all. It’s not so difficult to enact. You just walk away, you know…

And no, the fact that kissing is not sex doesn’t mean that you can allow it for your children so that they have something to enjoy. It’s soon going to be your daughter saying “you can have my lips so long as your tongue stays outside” or “you can have my lips so long as you don’t touch my zipper”. Plus, whatever is romantic is, by definition, exclusive. Don’t confuse your definitions or you will confuse your life.

This is really simple: No commitment no nookie. Don’t want to devote some time and some special attention? Can’t decide who’s the one? So keep your hands and lips about yourself. This is really simple. If you need social contact, you can always chat with friends or go dancing or whatever. If you need a hug, you can hug a family member or a friend. If you need to kiss, kiss your mother. You can even kiss your friend. On the cheek, of course.

#4. Teach the positive thing above all and apply logic in it. Fides et ratio. Faith and reason. Thinking about things and talking really helps. Building the China Wall in your mind doesn’t do anything. One needs to be able to tell the infallible teachings from private opinions of good theologians, the latter from private opinions of not so good theologians and from own ideas. Don’t thump the Bible on the unbelieving. They can be reasoned with. It’s perfectly possible to convince a young atheist on hormone rush that abstinence and chastity is the right way. It only needs some time and effort.

Have to be going… Maybe more later.
 
Grace & Peace!

I don’t see this as so much of a moral problem as a religious one.

It’s my feeling that the goal of religious life is not to be a moral person, but to be united with God in love through Christ. To live this goal is to become a moral person, but to be moral is not necessarily to love.

Therefore, for me, morality is the petrification of the outward signs of religious life. To the extent that morality is proferred as a solution to society’s ills, it is misguided. I don’t think it is Christianity’s goal to replace one law with another, to create a world of moral robots. But to restore God to the throne of the soul, to enthrone Christ in one’s spiritual heart–this is the goal–this can produce a generation, a people who are moral, because for them it will be second nature–it will be natural.

John of the Cross writes, “For the Righteous Man there is no law: he is a law unto himself.” For the man for whom God’s Will is his will, who desires intimate union with Divinity, whose being is focused entirely on Christ–for such a one, morality is nature. He can only do the good because his being identifies with the Fountain of Life from which all Good flows.

Our task, therefore, is not to foster morality in the world, but to foster this yearning for union with the Father through Christ in the Spirit. And we have the example of Our Lady to follow in that we are all called to be Mothers of Christ. St. Ambrose writes, “Every believing soul conceives and gives birth to the Word of God; Christ, by means of our faith, is the fruit of us all, thus we are all Mothers of Christ.”

It is our job to bear Christ in this world–morality, if it is to be organic, natural, and not merely artificial, if religion is to be more than a system of behavior modification, will take care of itself after that.

After all, Christ did not say, “Morality is the Way.” Christ said, “I am the Way.” Christ is the Way and the goal of the Way, and the Way cannot be walked, nor the goal reached, but by Christ.

Just my two cents.

–Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
**This is a posting I got off of the American Life League’s website…and they talk about sexual immorality and our early church fathers. **

Sexual immorality

Without question, the most commonly cited reason for procuring abortion in the first few centuries of the church’s existence was to terminate pregnancies resulting from sexual immorality. For example, in his scathing indictment of Callistus (bishop of Rome from 217), Hippolytus asserts that he,

…permitted females, if they were unwedded, and burned with passion at an age at all events unbecoming, or if they were not disposed to overturn their own dignity through a legal marriage, that they might have whomsoever they would choose as a bedfellow, whether a slave or free, and that a woman, though not legally married, might consider such a companion as a husband.[l7]

Hippolytus goes on to say that such women resorted to contraceptive drugs and womb binding to insure that no offspring would issue from these illicit liaisons.

Clement of Alexandria (c.A.D. 15O-22O), maintains that “If we should but control our lusts at the start and if we would not kill off the human race born and developing according to the divine plan, then our whole lives would be lived according to nature.”[18] The Alexandrian theologian goes on to make the very perceptive statement that “women who resort to some sort of deadly abortion drug kill not only the embryo but, along with it, all human kindness.”[19]

Sadly, one does not have to look far today to find corroboration for Clement’s observation. Carol Everett, who herself was pressured into having an abortion by her husband and doctor, became involved in the abortion business in Texas in the 197O’s. There she worked her way “up” from a partnership in four abortion clinics, to the directorship of several clinics of her own where some 55O babies died each month. Everett, whose aborticide activity was ended by her Christian conversion, paints a disturbing picture of what goes on behind the scenes in an abortion clinic. She says of the typical young woman waiting in the abortion chamber:

She’s on the table scared to death, so tense she can’t stand it. The doctor comes in, sometimes says hello sometimes says nothing. The people in the room laugh and joke because you’ve got to remember these people are having trouble with what they’re doing too. If you kill babies for a living, you have to deal with it some way. And they deal with it in different ways-by laughing, joking, turning the radio up so loud in the room so that no one can hear them or think about what’s going on. The nurses dance, the doctors joke-“Here’s looking at you!” when an eye goes through the tube.[20]

The abortion business is not only about killing human beings. As Clement points out, it has much to do with killing human emotions as well.

After Clement, the Council of Elvira (c.A.D. 305) pronounced judgment upon women who aborted their children conceived in adulterous affairs.[21] And the Council of Ancyra (convened in A.D. 314) did the same with regard to “Women who commit fornication, and destroy that which they have conceived.”[22] Then in a powerful sermon on Romans 24, the great fourth-century preacher and bishop of Constantinople, John Chrysostom, speaks of “the harlot” whose “whoredom” leads to adultery and then “murder.” He expresses shock at the thought that in an effort to make herself physically appealing to her “lovers,” she will resort even to killing her preborn child.[23]

Chrysostom 's contemporary, the great Latin father Jerome (c.A.D. 34O-42O), laments the daily fall of so many virgins which results in loss to the church. He writes:

You may see many women widows before wedded, who try to conceal their miserable fall by a lying garb. Unless they are betrayed by swelling wombs or by the crying of their infants…Some go so far as to take potions, that they may insure barrenness …Some, when they find themselves with child through their sin, use drugs to procure abortion, and when (as often happens) they die with their offspring, they enter the lower world laden with the guilt not only of adultery against Christ but also of suicide and child murder…Yet it is these who say: “…my conscience is sufficient guide for me…”[24]\

Question is: Why haven’t we learned yet from the past?
 
Grace & Peace!

In light of this last post, I just want to re-iterate my point: stopping abortion will not make us truly moral people. It will not make people love more.

A moral society has been achieved when abortion is no longer an issue to discuss because the discussion is un-necessary–it would be a non-issue because it would not happen. This requires a radical change in society that enforcement of any moral code, in and of itself, will not cause.

–Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
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stbruno:
Question is: Why haven’t we learned yet from the past?
Because this isn’t a battle that takes place in the head.

The early Church didn’t dream that we could change the world, the flesh, or the devil. Christianity doesn’t need to be the bread of society. If we follow our call, we need only be the leaven. Let the Holy Spirit take care of the rest.

Does this mean we should not seek to have a just and moral society? Of course not! God has placed us in a democracy. This is our cross to carry. But we shouldn’t think this is a project that will have a finish, nor should we become violent or upset when the world doesn’t change to suit us.

As Mother Theresa said, “God did not call me to be successful. He called me to be faithful.” Give your all, love all as you are called to do, and allow yourself to peacefully and without anxiety let God take care of the outcome.
 
Deo Volente:
Grace & Peace!

In light of this last post, I just want to re-iterate my point: stopping abortion will not make us truly moral people. It will not make people love more.

A moral society has been achieved when abortion is no longer an issue to discuss because the discussion is un-necessary–it would be a non-issue because it would not happen. This requires a radical change in society that enforcement of any moral code, in and of itself, will not cause.

–Mark

Deo Gratias!
Dear Mark

Peace be with you.

I agree with you

I cannot trust in men to bring about a moral society because most men have a law unto themselves and it is not God’s law.

I therefore trust God to bring about the reign of His Son, Christ Jesus on the world, so that all people may be just.

The moral society starts with the individual and not with laws of men. The justice of society does not incorporate morals.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
The moral fabric of todays society is latex.
Cheap and sleazy.

Truly Pope Paul VI was a prophet.
 
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