Morality: Objective or Subjective?

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But what has been written in Scripture concerning slaves being subject to their Masters. This is no longer taught today.
The first Christians lived in a society where they were a small, persecuted minority. It would have been foolish to advocate the emancipation of slaves and encourage them to rebel against their masters. Jesus does not preach violent revolution!
 
The first Christians lived in a society where they were a small, persecuted minority. It would have been foolish to advocate the emancipation of slaves and encourage them to rebel against their masters. Jesus does not preach violent revolution!
So slavery was accepted at one time, but not now.
 
Sharptiger you said, “live lives with freedoms that we choose, such that it does not hinder someone else’s freedoms.”

Maybe we shouldn’t poddy train our kids so that we don’t interfere with their freedom.
Freedom guarantees rules which will always step on someone’s little freedom toe.
“Can’t please everybody”.
 
Getting back to the question of whether morality is objective or subjective, is it not true that the Catholic Church today opposes the death penalty? for example:
"Tallahassee, Fla., Aug 24, 2011 / 06:19 am (CNA).- The Catholic bishops of Florida have asked Gov. Rick Scott to stay the execution of Manuel Valle, who was convicted in the 1978 shooting murder of a police officer. “True peace can only be achieved by forgiveness,” they said. “Governor, we ask you to stop state sanctioned killing.”

“Killing someone because they killed diminishes respect for life and promotes a culture of violence and vengeance,” the bishops said in an Aug. 3 letter. “We affirm the right and duty of the State to assure public safety and punish the guilty by incarceration, which allows the inmate an opportunity for reflection on their offenses and sorrow for the pain they have caused others.” "
But in the past, the Catholic Church has upheld the death penalty. Is it then not the case that the morality of the death penalty, whether it is right or wrong, depends on the time and place that this is being considered and is therefore subjective?
 
Is it then not the case that the morality of the death penalty, whether it is right or wrong, depends on the time and place that this is being considered and is therefore subjective?
No, as the morality of the death penalty might be objectively wrong - but our apprehension of this has changed over the centuries.

It’s like how gravity has always existed, despite what people over the centuries may think of the cause of falling objects.
 
No, as the morality of the death penalty might be objectively wrong - but our apprehension of this has changed over the centuries.

It’s like how gravity has always existed, despite what people over the centuries may think of the cause of falling objects.
It seems like that would deny the teaching authority of the Catholic Church.
At one time the Church taught that capital punishment was OK.
However, now we read in many places, such as for example, from the bishops of Florida, that capital punishment is wrong. “Killing someone because they killed diminishes respect for life and promotes a culture of violence and vengeance,”
 
It seems like that would deny the teaching authority of the Catholic Church.
At one time the Church taught that capital punishment was OK.
However, now we read in many places, such as for example, from the bishops of Florida, that capital punishment is wrong. “Killing someone because they killed diminishes respect for life and promotes a culture of violence and vengeance,”
Well, obviously the Church has changed its stance on a variety of things over the ages - (as it should have)

I don’t think the Church has epistemic certainty on everything it teaches - then again who does?
 
The first Christians lived in a society where they were a small, persecuted minority. It would have been foolish to advocate the emancipation of slaves and encourage them to rebel against their masters. Jesus does not preach violent revolution!
Slavery was not accepted but tolerated as a lesser evil than encouraging violent revolution which was the only alternative in those circumstances.
 
It seems like that would deny the teaching authority of the Catholic Church.
At one time the Church taught that capital punishment was OK.
However, now we read in many places, such as for example, from the bishops of Florida, that capital punishment is wrong. “Killing someone because they killed diminishes respect for life and promotes a culture of violence and vengeance,”
The Church has always taught that our ultimate authority is our conscience…
 
The Church has always taught that our ultimate authority is our conscience…
then since one man’s colnscience may differ from another’s, why does not that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that morality is subjective?
 
then since one man’s colnscience may differ from another’s, why does not that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that morality is subjective?
It has also taught that we are held accountable for our actions and for properly forming our conscience.
 
Slavery was not accepted but tolerated as a lesser evil than encouraging violent revolution which was the only alternative in those circumstances.
? That seems like a weak argument when you consider the fact that black Africans were rounded up, beaten, and tied up on boats taking them across the Atlantic Ocean so that Catholic priests (and others of course) could hold them as slaves in the South.
 
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