More bad news about birth control pills

[Peter_Dawson]

***With all due respect, that is your opinion, Peter…not a fact that people by and large would view us as liars.

Teaching people that there are consequences to their actions is not lying to them…withholding that, would be a bad thing to do. Whether they choose to believe us, is up to them. But, telling my kids that it’s morally wrong to have sex before marriage AND that there are consequences, can benefit them. I think that if I were to only discuss the secular consequences to their actions, that would be selling them short.

There are natural, physical, emotional, etc consequences to our actions. Good or bad, there are byproducts to the choices we make. ***

I didn’t say that we shouldn’t tell our children about the consequences of actions. They are by-and-large evangelized as much as they can be. So, believe me, I have been over the negative consequences of sinful behavior with them.

Where we shouldn’t bother making the non-core arguments is with OTHER people and THEIR families.

Otherwise, instead of evangelizing, you are just functioning as the “county health service.”

So, my kids know, and are committed to, the Church’s core argument against use of The Pill. But I will also tell them the non-core argument that The Pill causes breast cancer by inducing abortions before the first pregnancy-to-term, stalling breast cell formation and leaving the breast cells in a cancer-prone state.

But I won’t publically evangelize to non-family members with the non-core argument. A simple blood test will determine if the breast cells are fully formed in a non-cancer-prone state. If pro-choicers begin restricting use of The Pill to those with fully-form breast cells, or supplant the Pill with condoms, that argument is dead, and I would have to come up with ANOTHER “yes, but…,” making me look like a liar.

 

[whatevergirl]

***No one here said or implied to only use this as an argument against birth control. We are saying to use it in conjunction with the morality component. Not as the ‘core’ argument. ***

 

[rpp]

I didn’t say that we shouldn’t tell our children about the consequences of actions. They are by-and-large evangelized as much as they can be. So, believe me, I have been over the negative consequences of sinful behavior with them.

Where we shouldn’t bother making the non-core arguments is with OTHER people and THEIR families.

Otherwise, instead of evangelizing, you are just functioning as the “county health service.”

So, my kids know, and are committed to, the Church’s core argument against use of The Pill. But I will also tell them the non-core argument that The Pill causes breast cancer by inducing abortions before the first pregnancy-to-term, stalling breast cell formation and leaving the breast cells in a cancer-prone state.

But I won’t publically evangelize to non-family members with the non-core argument. A simple blood test will determine if the breast cells are fully formed in a non-cancer-prone state. If pro-choicers begin restricting use of The Pill to those with fully-form breast cells, or supplant the Pill with condoms, that argument is dead, and I would have to come up with ANOTHER “yes, but…,” making me look like a liar.

Hey! Whatevergirl, What do you think of my new signature line?

 

[whatevergirl]

I think this… lol

 

[Peter_Dawson]

***No one here said or implied to only use this as an argument against birth control. We are saying to use it in conjunction with the morality component. Not as the ‘core’ argument. ***

I didn’t say that anyone here believed that the cancer-from-Pill-use is the “core argument.” The core argument against birth control is that it comprises an invasion by man of sacred life process of God.

What I was suggesting is that if you use non-core arguments – FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARGUMENT THE “THE PILL” CAUSES BREAST CANCER – all will miss your main point, the core argument, and regard you, the Christian, as “sneaky” and “deceptive.”

 

[whatevergirl]

I didn’t say that anyone here believed that the cancer-from-Pill-use is the “core argument.” The core argument against birth control is that it comprises an invasion by man of sacred life process of God.

What I was suggesting is that if you use non-core arguments – FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARGUMENT THE “THE PILL” CAUSES BREAST CANCER – all will miss your main point, the core argument, and regard you, the Christian, as “sneaky” and “deceptive.”

***No, I think you’re wrong there, Peter. I think the perception will rather be…“that Christian is educated and informed.”

I’m sorry if perhaps, in your experience, someone has dubbed you this…, but no one has ever labeled me as sneaky or deceptive for educating them on the risks of birth control use. Christians can be educated on science. ***

 

[Peter_Dawson]

***No, I think you’re wrong there, Peter. I think the perception will rather be…“that Christian is educated and informed.”

I’m sorry if perhaps, in your experience, someone has dubbed you this…, but no one has ever labeled me as sneaky or deceptive for educating them on the risks of birth control use. Christians can be educated on science. ***

Nah. No one has ever labeled me as “sneaky and deceptive.” I don’t use non-core arguments.

But I do see that pro-lifers have failed in this country. And Humanae Vitae has very little impact even on Church-going Catholics.

Currently, use of non-core arguments is failing.

 

[Nicollle]

I don’t think potential side effects are a good argument against birth control pills. I used them for endometriosis and had no side effects(I used Yasmin, which is actually better than high dose pills such as Ortho). All medications have risks, but the BCPs are much less scary than others. I took an anti-depressant for two days and felt almost suicidal. If we are speaking out against drugs based on their danger I think Prozac, Paxil, and Lexapro deserve the most attention.

 

[BiologyBrain]

I don’t think potential side effects are a good argument against birth control pills. I used them for endometriosis and had no side effects(I used Yasmin, which is actually better than high dose pills such as Ortho). All medications have risks, but the BCPs are much less scary than others. I took an anti-depressant for two days and felt almost suicidal. If we are speaking out against drugs based on their danger I think Prozac, Paxil, and Lexapro deserve the most attention.

I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I’ve seen hearts changed by using both moral arguments & health/science arguments. The key is in presentation and knowing the audience.

My main success was with my husband. He’s non-Catholic (non-baptized in any faith) and for a long time continued to insist that I go on BC. Moral arguments didn’t work w/ him b/c he’s not into morality. However, when I brought up the scientific/health reasons why BC was bad for me (personally) due to increased risks of cancer (I have HBOC genes - I already have an increased risk of breast & ovarian cancer - BC would make it even worse) he readily accepted my reasoning. Once he accepted that reasoning, he learned that the moral arguments were valid as well. Of course, his eyes were opened by my multiple miscarriages & the grief we felt over a 5 week baby’s death (the same age ABC would kill the baby). He learned that even at 5 weeks - its a baby, not just random tissue to be thrown away at will. We were looking forward to each baby and the losses opened his eyes to their humanity. Even though they weren’t planned they were ours and tiny humans that deserved life. I will continue to use my balanced approach when speaking against ABC.

 

[Nicollle]

I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I’ve seen hearts changed by using both moral arguments & health/science arguments. The key is in presentation and knowing the audience.

My main success was with my husband. He’s non-Catholic (non-baptized in any faith) and for a long time continued to insist that I go on BC. Moral arguments didn’t work w/ him b/c he’s not into morality. However, when I brought up the scientific/health reasons why BC was bad for me (personally) due to increased risks of cancer (I have HBOC genes - I already have an increased risk of breast & ovarian cancer - BC would make it even worse) he readily accepted my reasoning. Once he accepted that reasoning, he learned that the moral arguments were valid as well. Of course, his eyes were opened by my multiple miscarriages & the grief we felt over a 5 week baby’s death (the same age ABC would kill the baby). He learned that even at 5 weeks - its a baby, not just random tissue to be thrown away at will. We were looking forward to each baby and the losses opened his eyes to their humanity. Even though they weren’t planned they were ours and tiny humans that deserved life. I will continue to use my balanced approach when speaking against ABC.

I agree that certain individuals are more at risk on BCP, and no one should pressure you to take them, but the pill actually reduces the risk of Ovarian cancer by 6% every year a woman is on them. The pill also would not cause an abortion at 5 weeks. The way it could cause an abortion is by preventing implantation.

 

[BiologyBrain]

I agree that certain individuals are more at risk on BCP, and no one should pressure you to take them, but the pill actually reduces the risk of Ovarian cancer by 6% every year a woman is on them. The pill also would not cause an abortion at 5 weeks. The way it could cause an abortion is by preventing implantation.

In women w/ HBOC BC has been shown to INCREASE the risk for both ovarian & breast cancer. Our biology is different than the average woman - that’s why we have an increased risk in the first place - regardless of medication. The information and statitistics are available on the National Institute of Cancer (I think) website. There are also other cancer risks that are increased for all women on BC including liver cancer. Of course, most women don’t know that, refuse to accept that, and will deny that, but the studies have been completed & accepted by the cancer institutes. Its just not publicized.

The pill doesn’t always prevent implantation. It thins the endometrial lining making implantation more difficult & more likely not to happen. However, implantation can occur. However, it is a precarious type of implantation that can easily be disrupted at any point. Also, since the lining is thinned it is not sufficient to provide nutrition and a reasonable support system for the baby - therefore, when the insufficient lining is used up, the baby dies. To me - that’s abortion at possibly 5 weeks. Also, the date of abortion is not important to me. Its the mere fact that its a possibility!