More Discussion of LDS & Christian Tithing

[truthsave]

Explains people who were raised LDS, and don’t leave. Doesn’t explain converts, especially adult converts, and most especially, converts from Catholicism.

1- Ignorance. Deep ignorance in Christian doctrine.

2- Consequence of 1 point. New age attitude. What makes ones feel good and is not bad it is the truth. Ignorance again. The good not done well is not good (as thought from a father of the Church)

3- Personal consideration. Conforting his own fears and weakness. Again consequence of 1 point. Always ignorance. “If you want to save your life you will loose it”

4- Easy instruction. You do this you have this. Cheap salvation. Love for ourselves and for his own family confused with love for God. Again consequence of 1 point.

So ignorance. And wanting it to go his own way. The Christian doctrine menu is too indigest. If you want to keep your “old” life and save it at the same time and in the meantime becaming a saint you can just become mormon.

 

[Patavium]

thruthsave,

It is pack mentality. Once, you are accepted, and you convert. You are showered with attention, and you are always with your mormon friends. Thus, if you stop paying tithing, and other common actions, they notice, and try to talk you into it.

I have never been a mormon, but I would imagine that is the case. Read some of the testimonies by former mormons. There is plenty of peer pressure.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I don’t understand how warm fuzzies = Holy Ghost. That seems like a travesty.

The experience of the Holy Ghost should be more like an epiphany, a bright, blinding truth that strikes one with no uncertainty - such as the tongues of fire that the Apostles experienced.

 

[garyo49]

So, you assert that all of those books don’t use valid examples whatsoever? I find that hard to believe =p.

There is evidence, actually, for all of those things. Eternal Marriage finds evidence in Rabbinacal writings. The endowment finds evidence in old Temple Studies. Plurality of Gods finds evidence in translating the first verse of Genesis literally. The three degrees of Glory, I’m not quite sure about, but I’m sure they have found evidence there.

The thing is, most of this ‘evidence’ isn’t published very well. You essentially have to go to Mormon sources, in order to find it. That’s probably why you haven’t seen it.

What do Rabbinical writings have to do with Christianity? Have you read Luke 20:27, 28, 34-39? You would think if eternal marriage was such a big important doctrine to you mormons, you would be using the B of M on this subject instead of Rabbinical writings. But, you can’t because it isn’t in the B of M, is it?

As far as the endowment, that finds evidence in Joe Smiths head two months after he was made a Mason and incorporated lots of Masonry in the new temple ceremony that didn’t come from Solomans Temple. No white jumpsuits w/green aprons, secret hand shakes, or film showing the evil Protestant minister used there.

The B of M contains “the fullness of the gospel”, so you should be looking for the three degrees doctrine there, don’t you think?

Also,Tao, translate the first verse of Genisis literally for us so that we can understand plurality of Gods.

 

[garyo49]

I was objecting to your use of the context of the word ‘organization’ lol, not that sometimes the Bishop’s still ask people to tithe with faith.

And, yes, you can still make it to heaven without paying tithes. Mormons have a different conception of heaven than Catholics do.

How?

 

[garyo49]

Nope, he was never convicted. He was arrested - but all of the charges were dropped.

As I pointed out earlier, you have a very high standard if you expect a man to tell a story the exact same way without any changing details all throughout his life. I don’t think I could live up to such a standard, lol. Could you?

In order for the Second Coming to occur, it says there must be a falling away. Now, I’m sure you could interpret this in other ways (such as a major loss in membership or whatnot). But an Apostasy also fits the description. You may believe what you want.

And no an apostasy doesn’t make Jesus weak, a liar, or cruel. In fact, it shows his strength, his preparation, and above all his love. It does no good to us to give us blessings and doctrines for which we are not worthy of, and if he deemed it necessary to remove, I think his judgement is fine.

Is there anything wrong, with a man learning to be perfect? For what shall we strive? Simply, to become perfect like our Father in Heaven.

And yes, Christ must let man have agency, or else, for what would they be judged. If evil didn’t create evil, could they be punished for their actions? Could they be tormented for actions they did not commit yet? I am not sure. But, I do believe committing such crimes begins to seal what they will inherit by their actions - pain and suffering.

But it could mean a total apostasy. In either case, it means something significant enough to be noted in prophecy. As I said, you are free to believe what you would like. Just as I am free to believe what I would like to. That is, both the blessing, and, in a small sense, a curse about life. But much more of a blessing indeed.

Well then you’ll take you road, and I’ll take mine, and at the end, we can talk it over and see how it went. That is the way we must go; going off of our own knowledge, and our own testimonies, and our own wills for our future. It is better, in my opinion, to come to no resolution until the day of judgement, indeed. For without it, we wouldn’t have much choice. It is better to have life with choice… even if it is a risk.

Best of Wishes,-TAO

What about these promises below? If Jesus didn’t keep these that would have made Him a liar, right? The thing is He DID keep these promises to His Church, so there was no need of a restoration.

“Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matt 16:19)? What about his promise that he would be with His Church until the end of time (Matt 28:20)? What about his promise to send the Holy Spirit as a guide who would abide with the Church (John 14:16,26)? What about the Holy Spirit guiding the Church into all truth (John 16:13)? What about His promise that His words will never pass away? (Mathew 24:35)

No need for a restoration, no need for a mormon church. Besides that there has always been the three Nephites and St. John roaming the earth and Jesus said that if there were three or four gathered He would be among them. You can see that He never abandoned His Church.

 

[Miriam1947]

I don’t understand how warm fuzzies = Holy Ghost. That seems like a travesty.

The experience of the Holy Ghost should be more like an epiphany, a bright, blinding truth that strikes one with no uncertainty - such as the tongues of fire that the Apostles experienced.

There have been occasions when I have answered questions or given advice that I knew didn’t come from me. Who was guiding me? I think it was the Holy Spirit.

We have been told that He will be there for us when we need Him.

 

[garyo49]

The nice thing about CAF is that you don’t have to read any thread you are not interested in.

I happen to be very interested in Mormon threads and read them all the time.

You are right!!

 

[perro_sarnoso]

LDS are not Christians.

Glen Beck, if you are on this site…come out and discuss.

Call me out…I am: perro sarnoso and mangy dog…those are all my posts.

LDS’s are not christians…they don’t believe or accept the divinity of Jesus Christ as truly man and God.

He who does not have the son, does not have the father. Plain and simple.

There is nothing vaild in LDSism… nothing. It is all done under false premises.

LDS’s are even reduced to believing that there are 3 gods!!! And that their “faith” came from alleged alien beings!!