More kneeling for communion at the Pope's liturgies [UPDATED]

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Seems Pope Benedict XVI is teaching by example.

Sunday, June 15, 2008
More kneeling for communion at the Pope’s liturgies [UPDATED]
by Shawn Tribe

We all remember that on the Feast of Corpus Christi, a kneeler was used for those receiving communion from the Pope. The question became, was this a one-off related to Corpus Christi?

At yesterday’s Papal Mass in Maria di Leuca those receiving Communion from Benedict did likewise:

thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-kneeling-for-communion-at-papal.html
 
Walking_Home said:
Seems Pope Benedict XVI is teaching by example.

Sunday, June 15, 2008
More kneeling for communion at the Pope’s liturgies [UPDATED]
by Shawn Tribe

We all remember that on the Feast of Corpus Christi, a kneeler was used for those receiving communion from the Pope. The question became, was this a one-off related to Corpus Christi?

At yesterday’s Papal Mass in Maria di Leuca those receiving Communion from Benedict did likewise:

thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-kneeling-for-communion-at-papal.html
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And at this same mass there were laity and even clergy receiving communion wearing baseball caps!
 
I think the pope prefers to give communion on the tongue and that is more easily done when the person is kneeling so it would make sense that a kneeler be used. Is communion in the hand an option in Italy?
 
bpbasilphx said:
And at this same mass there were laity and even clergy receiving communion wearing baseball caps!
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Was this outside in full sun? Or just people who don’t remember removing the hat is a gesture of respect? Or can we charitably assume that they were messianic Jews with their heads covered to pray?🙂
 
The article original cited contains only one photo of one person receiving communion. Furthermore, the photo shows only a portion of this woman (from the waist up). How do we KNOW this woman is not in a wheelchair? Lastly, although the article seems to state that everyone receiving communion at that Mass were kneeling… it ONLY refers to the ONE photo mentioned above as “evidence”!

By the way, we Traditional Anglicans ALWAYS kneel for the blessed sacrament (most receiving it in hand, some directly on the tongue). I’ve heard however that in the Roman Catholic world this practice varies from country to country. Could some RC please give me the run down on this? I’m curious to know where kneeling is considered the norm and where not… and the reasons given.

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds!
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
The article original cited contains only one photo of one person receiving communion. Furthermore, the photo shows only a portion of this woman (from the waist up). How do we KNOW this woman is not in a wheelchair? Lastly, although the article seems to state that everyone receiving communion at that Mass were kneeling… it ONLY refers to the ONE photo mentioned above as “evidence”!

By the way, we Traditional Anglicans ALWAYS kneel for the blessed sacrament (most receiving it in hand, some directly on the tongue). I’ve heard however that in the Roman Catholic world this practice varies from country to country. Could some RC please give me the run down on this? I’m curious to know where kneeling is considered the norm and where not… and the reasons given.

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds!
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I guess the only response I can give, is that the Real Presence is only possible because of the valid ordinations in the Catholic Church… thus I wonder why the Catholic Church is not unique in the posture of kneeling and receiving on the tongue and not with our un-consecrated hands.

When I see/read about the choices we make for our posture, it continues to puzzle me. I can’t make an opinion as to the disposition of the person’s heart and mind. But I can declare the Church as the only means to enjoy the Real Presence.

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Oh, by the way A/C 1…

Welcome almost-Home. Enjoy your time here at CAF… browse to your heart’s content.
 
Was this outside in full sun? Or just people who don’t remember removing the hat is a gesture of respect? Or can we charitably assume that they were messianic Jews with their heads covered to pray?

I assume that someone wearing stole and chasuble whlie receiving communion is a Catholic priest who was a concelebrant, and NOT a Messianic Jew (who are nothing but pop-evangelicals with some post-Christian rabbinnism thrown in.)
 
I never saw any photo of that in the link. Can you provide a source for that allegation?

I never put up a link, and never said I saw it on a link. I saw it LIVE on EWTN when the mass in question was broadcast.
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
Could some RC please give me the run down on this? I’m curious to know where kneeling is considered the norm and where not… and the reasons given.
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I don’t know that there were ever reasons given for standing. After Vatican II, the Instruction Eucharisticum Mysterium came out in 1967, which said: “In accordance with the custom of the Church, the faithful may receive communion either kneeling or standing. One or the other practice is to be chosen according to the norms laid down by the conference of bishops and in view of the various circumstances, above all the arrangement of the churches and the number of the communicants.” (n. 34/a)

As I understand it, standing to receive Communion was not the custom in the Roman Rite for several centuries; why it was revived by this document in 1967 (and probably illicitly beforehand, as with Communion in the hand), I do not know. The other troublesome point is that “the arrangement of the churches” (i.e. their floor plan) was allowed to dictate this posture, instead of the other way around: this document might have single-handedly opened the door to altar rail removals around the world (and I say that with all seriousness). You see the same problem today with kneeling during the Eucharistic Prayer. The GIRM allows for standing if conditions make kneeling overly difficult; the “solution” from modernist parishes is to not install (or tear out) kneelers. This allows them to avoid kneeling. Little do they know they’re actually depriving their parishioners of their full, active, and conscious participation!
 
AngloCatholic1 said:
Could some RC please give me the run down on this? I’m curious to know where kneeling is considered the norm and where not… and the reasons given.

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds!
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In my diocese (Delaware and part of Maryland) the bishop has asked that we bow before the Blessed Sacrament as a sign of reverence, respond ‘amen’ when the priest says ‘the body of Christ’ or ‘the blood of Christ’, and then receive on the tongue or in the hand. Priests should not refuse communion to one who genuflects of kneels, but should inform parishoners how to receive. At the traditional latin mass we receive on the tongue while kneeling.

I would prefer to genuflect or kneel but to see me trying to get up from the floor isn’t a pretty sight. In any case, I would obey the authority of the bishop. I think the bishop’s rationale is that, since we are in procession, it is mostly a safety issue (one might trip over someone’s legs) and if we all give the same sign of reverence there is a unity and order in the procession.
 
Are you serious? A concelebrant – a vested priest – was wearing a ballcap?

And receiving communion with the ballcap on. I saw it with my own eyes.
 
awesome!

Cardinal Arinze, “Prefect for the Congregration of Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments” lays the SMACK down. “we should be crawling!” “leave them in peace, not in pieces!”
de.youtube.com/watch?v=CXdmrUwGPjI

he is 75 and one hip priest with his own podcast.
arinzewebcast.com

on iTunes podcast search for “cardinal arinze” for the entire archive of his videos.
 
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