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I don’t think we ever really disagreed. What I’ve been saying all along is essentially that Limbo must be our kind of “default” position. What we know to be true absolutely indicates that Limbo exists. The best that can be said for the anti-Limbo position is only that God, through an extraordinary act of mercy, may choose (though He is not obligated to) to supply salvific grace to those who would normally go there, though we can never know if/when He does or under what circumstances He would. In other words, there is actual, positive reason to believe in Limbo, even though there may be reasonable hope that it’s “empty.”

Which, again, is what I’ve been saying all along – i.e., that the contrary position (that Limbo is an “outdated idea” and there’s no reason to believe in it) is positively meritless.
I would agree with you up to a point. I believe Limbo should be considered temporary not eternal. IOW, At the end of the world, at the Last Judgment, there will only be Heaven and Hell, no Purgatory, no Limbo. (Many Scripture citations for this.) How it works is certainly a mystery…
 
The link provided by Chypmonk is deceptive. Note the title at the top of the page —
"Seattle Catholic is not affiliated with the Archdiocese of Seattle."

Catholicculture has published this site review, giving a red danger rating.
The Seattle Catholic was an Internet-based publication that ran from 2001-2006. The site has now become a repository for articles and the News Archive. Though many of the articles are very interesting and well written,** there is a consistent pattern of rejecting the Church’s authority over the Liturgy by condemning Vatican II and the New Mass. **
It is well-known that Fr. Brian Harrison who wrote this article is affiliated with Fr. Feeney’s group, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
 
The link provided by Chypmonk is deceptive. Note the title at the top of the page —
"Seattle Catholic is not affiliated with the Archdiocese of Seattle."

Catholicculture has published this site review, giving a red danger rating.

It is well-known that Fr. Brian Harrison who wrote this article is affiliated with Fr. Feeney’s group, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
I think Fr. Harrison would be surprised by that he is associated with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, since he is a vowed member of Oblates of Wisdom in St Louis, Missouri.
And even if he was a member of Fr. Feeney’s group, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, why would that be bad? All the communities of Fr. Feeny’s are approved of by the Church. abbreviation :MICM and OSB(Still River)–one is Benedictine and the other 2 are Franciscan. Worcester official website:worcesterdiocese.org/vicar/ReligiousCommunities/tabid/478/Default.aspx

Fr. Harrison was a pontifical professor and a guest writer for Catholic Answers in “This Rock” mag.–2006

I don’t know anything about Seattle Catholic but it was the first place I found the article that a priest friend told me about back in 2005 written by Fr. Harrison. Fr. Harrison’s orthodoxy and faithfulness to the Holy Father is without reproach. Catholic Answers holds Fr. Harrison a loyal priest catholic.com/profiles/fr-brian-harrison-os

I also take exception to being accused of being deceptive.

I am not a traditionalist.
 
I would agree with you up to a point. I believe Limbo should be considered temporary not eternal. IOW, At the end of the world, at the Last Judgment, there will only be Heaven and Hell, no Purgatory, no Limbo. (Many Scripture citations for this.) How it works is certainly a mystery…
There will be a new earth and some theologians believe that the souls in Limbo will be allowed to live on the new earth at the resurrection in a “new Eden.”

“Suarez, for example, ignoring Bellarmine’s protest, continued to teach what Catharinus had taught — that unbaptized children will not only enjoy perfect natural happiness, but that they will rise with immortal bodies at the last day and have the renovated earth for their happy abode (De vit. et penat., ix, sect. vi, n. 4)”
newadvent.org/cathen/09256a.htm
 
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Chypmonk:
I think Fr. Harrison would be surprised by that he is associated with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
I think YOU would be surprised to know that he IS. Note the many references of his association with Catholicism.org – the website of Slaves of Immaculate Heart of Mary.
google.com/cse?cx=000047087029697448828%3A2wsmcgzjei4&ie=UTF-8&q=brian+harrison#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=brian%20harrison&gsc.page=1

Perhaps you believe that simply listing communities on a diocesan website qualifies them as being canonically erected. IMO, it is simply a list of communities that exist within their boundary, more or less as an address reference, whether lawful or not.

From another website. Contact me if you need the link.
The Saint Benedict Center in New Hampshire, which you correctly note has no canonical status in the Church, has freely acknowledged at their own website that Rome has ignored their petitions to be recognized canonically.
I also take exception to being accused of being deceptive.
You have misread my post. I stated the LINK was deceptive, since the title of the website looks as though it is the diocesan website. At least it did to me, before I saw the disqualifier at the top. When we google, it is easy to be misled by what is listed there, so I do not fault you in any way for making that error. 🙂
 
I see that you edited your post, Chypmonk, before I had a chance to read it.

I’ve enjoyed the afternoon reading one of the best articles on EENS in which Fr. Harrison spells out the error of Fr. Feeney in two parts. :whacky: After digesting all that reading, I think my mirror would look like the smiley here, LOL! But it was well worth it.

Father points out the errors that some have adopted because they do not understand the tie-in from the Council of Florence to Vatican II and believe the Church is not adhering to former doctrine. So sad, really, but it shows us, as it did him, that there is much work to do with catechesis. How on earth do we reduce this language for the average person in a way they can understand it, without writing a book?

Whatever his tie was with SIHM, and may still be, it produced this excellent fruit. I did the same thing as you when I googled, and formed my initial conclusion based on his numerous articles written for S.I.H.M.'s website. I’m so glad I learned who he really is. 👍
 
There will be a new earth and some theologians believe that the souls in Limbo will be allowed to live on the new earth at the resurrection in a “new Eden.”

“Suarez, for example, ignoring Bellarmine’s protest, continued to teach what Catharinus had taught — that unbaptized children will not only enjoy perfect natural happiness, but that they will rise with immortal bodies at the last day and have the renovated earth for their happy abode (De vit. et penat., ix, sect. vi, n. 4)”
newadvent.org/cathen/09256a.htm
From today’s Gospel:

Children were brought to Jesus
that he might lay his hands on them and pray.
The disciples rebuked them, but Jesus said,
“Let the children come to me, and do not prevent them;
for the Kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
After he placed his hands on them, he went away. Matt 19:13-15
 
From today’s Gospel:

Children were brought to Jesus
that he might lay his hands on them and pray.
The disciples rebuked them, but Jesus said,
“Let the children come to me, and do not prevent them;
for the Kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
After he placed his hands on them, he went away. Matt 19:13-15
I had the same thought this morning too.

I guess that relying on God’s mercy ito figure out the place of the unborn in paradise isn’t too scary really!

It’s humans that seem to need Laws, Jesus has fulfilled the Law.
 
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