Mormonism vs Catholicism

[Marie5890]

In reading thru this thread, I am reminded of the cognitive dissonance I experienced when I tried to defend the LDS teachings when I was confronted by information that clearly showed t Mormon teachings had changed.

It was only when I accepted that Mormon doctrine DOES change, that the cognitive dissonance went away.

Some people are able to ignore that it changes. I couldnt’

 

[Tarquin]

I disagree adamantly, every immoral deed begins in the mind as a thought, and human history is replete with immoral thinking turned lose on hapless people.

Well, I suppose you will be unable to accept my assurance, then, that my immoral beliefs about the insufficiency of mere belief to warrant condemnation, will not convert into violence against your hapless person, but it will not.

When anyone is taught a falsehood as a divine truth, from the moment of their birth, there are more than the two options of belief or not.

Some deny facts of recent history, others perpetuate the lies as divine truth in a sort of sad parody, becoming unwitting ambassadors for untruth. Some recognize the lies and have strong feelings of being deceived and used.

Honestly, I think it a good thing the LDS church changed on this topic, but on the other hand they have done so by layering another lie onto the existing lies. Like, using the word theology. Gosh, that would imply there is orthodoxy in Mormonism. (There isn’t.) A different leader could change teachings next week and all the Mormons would go on like nothing different was ever taught. It’s kind of remarkable, this ability to invoke community amnesia.

A lie is not erased by more lies, no matter how many people believe them.

I think I fully agree with you. Erroneous beliefs are a problem. In some societies (Mormon) they compound, and cause problems. The bright light of Christ offers hope that they will change. It seems they always change, and where they do not change, the people convert to something better. Maybe?

 

[Horton]

In reading thru this thread, I am reminded of the cognitive dissonance I experienced when I tried to defend the LDS teachings when I was confronted by information that clearly showed t Mormon teachings had changed.

It was only when I accepted that Mormon doctrine DOES change, that the cognitive dissonance went away.

Some people are able to ignore that it changes. I couldnt’

Even though I’ve never been LDS it feels the same way to me. I understand why cradle LDS stay, they don’t know anything different. I’ve never been able to understand how a Christian believer could convert. I learned about the LDS long before I converted to Catholicism. For many years I was a non practicing Christian. I never lost faith in God, questioned it at times, but I never not believed. I was never able to reconcile what I learned about the LDS with what I knew of Christianity.

I went to college in Utah and my kids were young then. They would come home with questions so I set out to learn what I could about the LDS. I never considered joining the LDS, I just wanted to answer my kids questions and be able to speak to the teachers who were feeding my kids this stuff.

I don’t get it either. What if the current leader comes out tomorrow that all first born males must be given over, never to see their parents again, to an organization to train them for XYZ? Would the members just go along with it? Would a mother hand over her newborn baby boy to never see him again for the good of the church? I know it’s an extreme analogy, but what was it like for women to hear their husbands could have more than one wife, in fact should have more than one wife? Then maybe 50 years later, “oh it’s not okay to have more than one wife on earth. It was just Joseph Smith’s opinion?”

 

[Tarquin]

I notice that you keep moving targets here and not responding to what I post.

What a crock (weak, broken argument; diversion; evasion). Anyone who wishes to be disabused of this blatant lie only needs read my posts currently numbered

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to see whether I was responding to what you were posting or not. Now who is not listening? After several participants repeatedly quoting the Book of Mormon, not to mention the teachings of Mormon “Prophets” and “Apostles,” and official publications of the Church designed to teach members the “truths” of the Book of Mormon, you still claim not to believe that the “Lamanites” (1) were cursed, (2) were marked, (3) the mark was the curse, (4) their descendants inherited the mark and the curse, theoretically until they “repented” and accepted Christ, and (E) all the peoples of the Americas and Pacific Islands up until the time of Columbus, as taught in the Book of Mormon and by all the prophets until DNA research proved it impossible, are descendants of “Lehi’s family.”

Besides, people are free to post their thoughts and experiences on this topic without necessarily responding to you each time. If you think I posted something in direct response to one of your posts, that was not a genuine response and/or that “moved” some target you had in mind, please substantiate your mean-spirited (and until proven otherwise, false) accusation with the actual post (if there is one) that you claim has gone off-track.

 

[Horton]

What a crock (weak, broken argument; diversion; evasion). Anyone who wishes to be disabused of this blatant lie only needs read my posts currently numbered to see whether I was responding to what you were posting or not. Now who is not listening? After several participants repeatedly quoting the Book of Mormon, not to mention the teachings of Mormon “Prophets” and “Apostles,” and official publications of the Church designed to teach members the “truths” of the Book of Mormon, you still claim not to believe that the “Lamanites” (1) were cursed, (2) were marked, (3) the mark was the curse, (4) their descendants inherited the mark and the curse, theoretically until they “repented” and accepted Christ, and (E) all the peoples of the Americas and Pacific Islands up until the time of Columbus, as taught in the Book of Mormon and by all the prophets until DNA research proved it impossible, are descendants of “Lehi’s family.”

Besides, people are free to post their thoughts and experiences on this topic without necessarily responding to you each time. If you think I posted something in direct response to one of your posts, that was not a genuine response and/or that “moved” some target you had in mind, please substantiate your mean-spirited (and until proven otherwise, false) accusation with the actual post (if there is one) that you claim has gone off-track.

I wonder if this will be answered

 

[Tarquin]

I wonder if this will be answered

I am somewhat familiar with Jane_Doe’s style of posting (and non-posting) not just from here but also from reading some of her posts on mormonhub, christianforums, and mormondialogue, where I presume the posters are all one and the same Jane_Doe. I realize this is an indirect response to your post, but it is the best I can do for reasons of propriety as well as of community. I know she can respond if she wishes, and if she chooses not to do so, I believe her reasons are good.

 

[Horton]

I am somewhat familiar with Jane_Doe’s style of posting (and non-posting) not just from here but also from reading some of her posts on mormonhub, christianforums, and mormondialogue, where I presume the posters are all one and the same Jane_Doe. I realize this is an indirect response to your post, but it is the best I can do for reasons of propriety as well as of community. I know she can respond if she wishes, and if she chooses not to do so, I believe her reasons are good.

I doubt she will as she has no argument left.