mormons and the apostles teachings

[BYUChemAlum]

You cant take a verse and twist it to fit your meaning. peter is clearly not saying to become a God if you knew God you would know that

Firstly, why don’t you not violate the rules of this forum by personally attacking me.

Secondly, I am not twisting the verse, I merely cited it and repeated what it said: that we can partake of the divine nature. Latter-day Saints believe that. If we are partaking of the divine nature, then what does that mean?

17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. once again you cant take a half truth and twist it to suit your own ideas …this verse is clearly talking about pain and suffering that we all go threw and tha Jesus went through…and about the Eternal life that he promises us in the after life. share in suffering and share in glory.

Sorry, again, I don’t have to twist the verse, since Latter-day Saints quite clearly believe in what it says, in context. We can become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, and we can share in His glory. That is part of what it means to be exalted, through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Sharing in the suffering does not take away from the fact that we become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ. What does that mean?

first of all: in Context, the verses are talking about the LUKEWARM CHURCH . Revelation 3:14 - 22 are talking about luke warm ness… he is warning and inviting the people to poen there ears to his turth and to be repentant of there sins… as many as he loves he rebukes and chastens. I think the actual verse you were trying to refer to was Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. this was Jesus talking about himself overcoming death and distruction…and saying that if we are repentant and have an open ear and know his truths than we will overcome death and suffering and enter into his greatness…and he invites us to come sit with him and dine. in HIS kingdom. now im not sure how you got that we will become Gods out of that but we cant take a sentence out of a verse and twist it …

It is irrelevant whether the verses are talking about the “lukewarm church”. The fact is that these verses clearly show that through Jesus Christ, we can sit in Christ’s throne with Him, the same way that He sits in the Father’s throne. All of these verses quite clearly show a co-heirship in and with Christ, which is what Latter-day Saints believe in connection with exaltation, or becoming gods. And yes, it is obviously God’s Kingdom, which we believe (it is referred to as the Celestial Kingdom in our belief). You say that we can come sit with him and dine (not found in the chapter). We say what the verses actually say.

And of course none of this is possible except through the atonement of Christ, and through repentance of our sins throughout our lives.

Under different terms or conditions than what was proclaimed by Jesus…President Gordon B. Hinckley, No I don’t believe in the teaditional Christ. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak .(who are they??? Jesus and what he taught about HIMSELF is Traditional)

We reject many of the “traditional” beliefs of traditional/Trinitarian Christianity. We do not reject what Jesus proclaimed, and we fully agree with everything Jesus taught. We do not follow the definitions of the various Ecumenical Councils, nor do we hold to beliefs such as “eternal generation” in regards to Jesus being begotten, etc. That is what President Hinckley meant. We accept the terms and conditions proclaimed by Jesus as found in the Bible.

ok, what exactly are you saying here? and where does this teaching come from?

God being our God and forever being above us as the Most High God is not affected by our belief that He is embodied or that He lived on an earth in some previous time period. The belief that God is embodied is found in the Bible, as well as various other ancient Jewish sources, as scholars have found. The belief that He lived on an earth at some point was taught by Joseph Smith.

why couldnt he have? and for that matter if what you say is true …why wouldnt he have? …also where in scripture does it say that the father has already been embodied on another planet?

Because it doesn’t logically follow that just because the Father has a body then He should have incarnated. There is no logical reason to think that. Jesus Christ chose to be our Savior, He chose to suffer and die for us, to atone for our sins. This is in contrast to your erroneous presentation of my beliefs, since we don’t believe that the Father dictates and told Jesus Christ what to do. I don’t know where you came up with that.

about the father calling himself “I AM” and the son saying “I AM” .and Jesuss’ claim that the Father and I are one. if this is what you are referring to …then all i have to say to that is that i am sorry you feel that way (not ascride to the meaning of “one”.)

Yes, Jesus is the I AM, and He claimed that He and the Father are one. Latter-day Saints agree with what the Bible teaches. We disagree with Trinitarians on what it means to be “one” (while not denying that They are “one”). That is what I am talking about.

 

[BYUChemAlum]

under its own defenition , seperate and or different…(distinctly different) from Jesuss’

No, our view of the atonement of Jesus Christ is consistent with what the Bible teaches, therefore what Jesus taught.

but the lds church doesnt even believe in origional sin

We believe that through Adam and Eve, mortality and sin entered the world. We don’t believe that we can be punished for the sins of others, hence we don’t need to baptize infants for fear that they may go to Limbo (since this theologumen hasn’t been rejected by the Catholic Church, though now they emphasize the hope in the salvation of unbaptized infants, without definitively saying what happens to them).

…and for that matter believes that in the garden of eden when eve ate the fruit after God warned us and told us that it would surly bring us to our deaths …the serpant came and basically called God a lier …no said the serpant for God knows that in the day you eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil you will become gods. (the promise of the lds church and Joseph smiths teachings that we can become God …is EXACTLY THE SAME LIE OF THE SERPANT in the garden of eden!

No it isn’t. The serpent’s lie was that you will not die (Genesis 3:4). The lie clearly was not that they would become like God, knowing good and evil, since God Himself says that Adam and Eve became “like one of us, knowing good and evil”. Satan speaks in half-truths, and that is clear from the chapter. You don’t understand what is being taught in Genesis 3.

…the LDS church doesnt say no that we shouldnt have disobeyed GOD but rather …it was a good thing we did or else we couldnt become GOD…!! is it not?

The Church of Jesus Christ teaches that God knew what would happen, and used it to work good (God can bring good out of any situation). God’s entire Plan of Salvation was based on His divine providence and foreknowledge.

 

[BYUChemAlum]

isnt it true that the LDS believe that in the garden of eden we were nieve …and we didnt know feeling and things like that…that if an apple fell on our heads that we wouold know that it did …or wouldnt feel it. ???if im wrong correct me…but if that is true that that would be the same as to saying that free will didnt come into play untill the fall in the garden …after that we had free ccoice and free will and were choose to progress to become God or to choose death.
?? …if this is what the lds believe than …how did eve Choose to eat from the tree that God forbad …she must have know that it was bad. God said so. also, that that would be to say that they believe in origional sin…being that fall of adam and eve resulted in Original sin (the first sin) THAT brought death. just like God said ??

No, members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe that we have always had free will, and that it has always been operative in our lives. We call this concept “agency”.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I know, right! I mean, could you believe Jesus Christ BODY is somehow magically infused in every tiny white flat wafer and his BLOOD gets magically infused into wine so that when we eat the bread and drink the wine we are actually PHYSICALLY eating Jesus flesh and PHYSICALLY drinking Jesus blood!

What a strannnnnggeeee skeeeevvvyy sci-fi thing that is! Eeeeewww!

Okay, I’m just kidding. I was a devout Catholic for 30 years and I love the Catholic Church until today and understand completely the doctrine of Transubstantiation.

But, what I demonstrated here is how skeevvvy and wierd everything sounds until you actually study and understand what they all are saying.

So that, it doesn’t become an Eeeew… it becomes - oh, so that’s where they got that from. Okay, I don’t agree but now I understand they’re not stupid people after all.

Sorry, but there are aspects of Mormonism that will always be repulsive to me, no matter how you spin it. The Mormon doctrine of polygamy being one of them, but a distant second to the blasphemies against God. Which, no Catholic should, or would, accept.

 

[GTNJNightingale]

No, members of the Church of Jesus Christ believe that we have always had free will, and that it has always been operative in our lives. We call this concept “agency”.

I will pray for you. I hope you can come to the fullness of truth, not blurred by the lies of satan.