Mortal sin? semi-sleep impurity

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A few nights I go, I “woke up” finding myself being impure with myself. I was surprised and said “God I don’t want to do this” but kept going, but the situation stopped within a few minutes. When I woke up the next morning, I realized that I wasn’t realiy sure if I had actually “woke up” or not. That is, I’m not sure if I dreamed that this happened or if I was just semi-asleep.

In either case, I’m not sure if I should go to confession for this or not. I feel like I knew in my head that it was wrong, but then again if I knew in my head even though it was during a dream, does that make it grave or not? I’m not sure if it was a dream or not! Help!
 
Not going all the way is still a mortal sin. I went through my first confession, and was confirmed into the Catholic Church yesterday. I plan on going to confession again before Mass today, because of sins I have forgotten, and because I was tempted to go to an immoral website for a brief second.

If you remember what you did, and remember having full consent of the will, and know what you did was a mortal sin. You need to go to confession. If you are still unsure, go to confession anyways. It is better to er on the safe side.

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I suppose my question shoud be more directed on whether or not I had full-consent of my will. Is self-abuse a serious sin? Yes. Do I know it is wrong? Yes. Did I have full-consent of my wil? Well…I did “wake up” FINDING myself doing it, not initially choosing to…but did I really wake up, or was it just a dream? Would semi-sleep still considered sleep in this situation? I know a dream would show that I did not have full-consent, but would semi-sleep? What about the fact that I don’t know if it was a dream or semi-sleep?

Also, a moments thought would not be considered a sin unless you decide to act or dwell upon it. Here comes the difference between temptation and sin. Even the Lord was introduced to “thoughts” from Satin while praying in the desert, but the Lord decided to say “no” to these thoughts presented to him. Thought: He could be given all the riches in the world. The thought itself is tempation. The sin would be if one were to say, “Yes”. But he decided to say, “no.”

…but please help so I can know what to do at confession. This is a new situation for me and am confused - it’s Sunday!🤷
 
I suppose my question shoud be more directed on whether or not I had full-consent of my will. Is self-abuse a serious sin? Yes. Do I know it is wrong? Yes. Did I have full-consent of my wil? Well…I did “wake up” FINDING myself doing it, not initially choosing to…but did I really wake up, or was it just a dream? Would semi-sleep still considered sleep in this situation? I know a dream would show that I did not have full-consent, but would semi-sleep? What about the fact that I don’t know if it was a dream or semi-sleep?
Craisin, greetings and blessings to you! 🙂

The fact that you aren’t really sure if it was a dream is reason enough that you did NOT have full consent of your will. Try not to worry about it too much, but if it does bother you a lot, you should talk with your priest about it. Take care and God bless you. 🙂
Not going all the way is still a mortal sin. I went through my first confession, and was confirmed into the Catholic Church yesterday. I plan on going to confession again before Mass today, because of sins I have forgotten, and because I was tempted to go to an immoral website for a brief second.
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Mike, greetings and peace to you! 🙂

You do not need to go to confession again for sins you forgot to confess. The Lord has already forgiven you. As long as you had the intention to make a good confession, to sin no more, and to amend your life, all is well. Try not to be scrupulous about it.
Also, being tempted to go to an immoral website is not a sin, so please don’t dwell upon it as if it were. We get tempted to do a lot of bad things, just don’t let it get the better of you in which you actually ACT upon them or DWELL upon them, so long as you don’t do that, you’re fine.
God bless you and I’m happy to hear about your confirmation! May the Holy Spirit guide you in all that you do! Amen! =)
 
Since it’s continuing to bother you, why not just go to confession and explain the situation. (That you weren’t entirely sure how awake you were.)

Trust me, it helps tremendously. 👍
 
If you do something like that when you’re dozy and not really “with it” (for instance you do something on ‘auto-pilot’) then you lack one of the necessary elements to make the act a mortal one - i.e. consent.
 
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From JAW642 on 08/15/2010

Please STUDY the following essay by Fr. Harvey. I copied here some of the highlights, which I believe pertain to you, and all other males, who struggle with the habit of masturbation.

Semi-sleep or being in a sleep mode or restful state, means that your conscious mind is not and can not be FULLY conscious, because you are falling asleep and losing consciousness.

The principle of the twofold effect, means that you can have a good and completely innocent reason for doing something, like trying to fall asleep at night, or trying to fall back to sleep after you partially ‘wake up’ during the night, and at the same time, you could be gently and almost unconsciously stroking your erection, which if vigorously done during the day, FULLY awake, could be considered wrong.

Father Farraher points out that even when the sexual stimulation results in orgasm and ejaculation, if there is only partial realization, or partial consent of the will, it is at most only a venial sin. In other words, one must be FULLY aware, FULLY conscious, and give FULL 100 percent consent, before one can commit a mortal sin. One cannot commit a mortal sin by Accident ! If there is any doubt whatsoever, that you have committed a mortal sin, then you simply CANNOT have committed a mortal sin. It is at most, a Doubtful sin, which the Catholic Church says does not have to be confessed. We all know that as we try to fall asleep at night, or when we partially ‘wake up’ during the night or in the morning, our conscious mind is only PARTIALLY awake or aware of what we are doing.

It is probably a good idea for a Scrupulous person to confess any Doubtful sin, even though there is no obligation or requirement by the Catholic Church to do so.

Masturbation
Overcoming the Masturbation Habit

couragerc.net/PIPMasturbation.html

Morality of Masturbatory Activity

Father Farraher also points out that sexual stimulation by a married couple is morally licit if it leads to natural vaginal intercourse or completes the marital act.'2 Farraher is very exact about what constitutes grave malice in masturbation when he writes: "for a person to be formally guilty of a mortal sin of masturbation his act must be a fully deliberate choice of what he fully realizes is seriously sinful."13 If such an act is done with only partial realization, or partial consent of the will, it is a venial sin; and “if there is no free choice of the will there is no guilt of sin at all even if the person is aware of what he is doing.”'4 Farraher goes on to point out that there is no sin even when a person foresees that sexual stimulation and orgasm will result from some action that the person is freely performing, provided that he does not intend such stimulation, but merely permits it, and that he has a sufficiently good reason for doing it. (This is simply an application of the principle of the twofold effect.)'5

Farraher corrects the misunderstanding that many Catholics have that if they experience sexual stimulation, however unwillingly, they have committed mortal sin.16

Distinction between Past Behavior and the Present

There is a little freedom, but hardly sufficient to constitute serious guilt. This is even more true when persons struggle against this impulse when they are trying to sleep at night, or are surprised by temptation in the middle of the night or upon awakening. Farraher comments at length on these situations in which the individual who has resisted the temptation to masturbate during waking hours is sometimes overwhelmed with sexual fantasies as he tries to go to sleep, or upon awakening in the morning. As long as the person makes a real effort to turn his mind away, he commits no sin even if orgasm occurs. If he is uncertain whether he really tried hard enough to get rid of fantasy, he may settle the doubt in favor of his innocence. According to traditional norms of moral theology one may presume that his intention during waking hours was also present in the moment of nocturnal temptation. Confessors and spiritual guides should reassure guilt-ridden persons who feel that since they were awake at the time of orgasm they are guilty of sin that they have not sinned inasmuch as the masturbation is presumed to be involuntary. "To tell him that he can avoid even these involuntary experiences if he tries hard enough and uses supernatural means can cause severe anxiety and even despair since he may not be able to avoid what is really involuntary."31

Guilt and Shame in All Forms of Masturbation

So, likewise, in the question of masturbation many persons torture themselves needlessly. I refer primarily to good living people whose only “sin” is masturbation. The spiritual counselor or confessor who knows the struggles that these persons have had tries to make it clear that there has been no free consent to the impulse to masturbate.

There is no grievous sin if a person masturbates while lacking in awareness, as when he is half awake, or half asleep, or when a person is carried away by sudden passion and finds himself committing the act despite the resistance of the will. This is one of the effects of original sin, that human passions tend to overcome the acts of the will (Rom. 7: l~2O). An individual may agree with this reasoning, and yet in his heart feel guilty of masturbation, because he will say to himself, “If I had tried harder I would not have had the fantasies, I should be able to get rid of all my impure thoughts.”

The trouble with this feeling of guilt is that it presupposes that we humans have perfect control over our passions not only over lust, but also over avarice, anger, and other disordered emotions. We know that we have no such control. The person involved in masturbation, however, needs to believe that with God’s grace he can overcome the habit of masturbation.

 
Not going all the way is still a mortal sin. I went through my first confession, and was confirmed into the Catholic Church yesterday. I plan on going to confession again before Mass today, because of sins I have forgotten, and because I was tempted to go to an immoral website for a brief second.

If you remember what you did, and remember having full consent of the will, and know what you did was a mortal sin. You need to go to confession. If you are still unsure, go to confession anyways. It is better to er on the safe side.

PAX
Whenever you forget to confess certain mortal sins in confession be assured that these forgotten mortal sins are still forgiven along with the rest of the sins you have confessed…but you are still required to confess the mortal sins you forgot to confess when you go to your next confession. You were right to confess the sins you had forgotten to confess.🙂
 
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