Mortal Sin

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Is there a set list of mortal sins out there? If not, what qualifies a sin as mortal. I know the definition of a mortal sin, one the seperates a person from God. :confused:
 
Check out this website:
catholic.org/frz/examen/mortal_main.htm

At the top it has the conditions for a sin to be mortal. This site is a pretty good list of mortal sins as well as venial. When in doubt of whether something is mortal, confess it to a priest and explain that you are unsure if it is mortal or venial. He can help you out.

matthew
 
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drknbrew:
Is there a set list of mortal sins out there? If not, what qualifies a sin as mortal. I know the definition of a mortal sin, one the seperates a person from God. :confused:
There is no “master list” of mortal sins.

But there is the formula.

ALL THREE of these conditions must exist for there to be a mortal sin:
1.) The sin must be grave matter - stealing a piece of gum, no. Stealing a lawn mower from Wal-Mart - probably not. Stealing from the poor - definitely. Premarital sex - absolutely. Abortion - yes. Condoning abortion - yes (see the Catholic Church’s teaching on scandal).
2.) You must have full knowledge of the sin - if you get in your car and rob a store clerk at gunpoint while you are sleepwalking, that would not be most unfortunate and would probably get you in trouble with the law, but if you were unaware of what was happening, it wouldn’t be a mortal sin.
3.) You must give deliberate consent to the sin - if you were under duress or were forced by another person, that would not be deliberate consent. Deliberate consent is ignoring that moment of conscience and proceeding into the action of sin in total disregard for God’s will.

From the Catechism (vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6C.HTM)
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. the promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1862 One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent.

1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. “Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.”
 
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marty1818:
Check out this website:
catholic.org/frz/examen/mortal_main.htm

At the top it has the conditions for a sin to be mortal. This site is a pretty good list of mortal sins as well as venial. When in doubt of whether something is mortal, confess it to a priest and explain that you are unsure if it is mortal or venial. He can help you out.

matthew
Hey marty 1818,

You beat me to it on putting a link to Fr. Z’s list of mortal sins. I use it all the time. It’s a tough list, and few can get through it without a little trouble.

I’m gonna go ahead and put a link to his other page that has the ‘mortal list’ as well as the ‘venial list’ and ‘how to go to confession’. (Not that any Catholics out there don’t already know how to do that.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif). catholic.org/frz/examen/
 
What is the catholic churches attitude towards those who confess sins ask for gods forgiveness but are not rependant and purposely repeat them eg. “Oh its ok to steal i’ll just pray for forgiveness later…”

Evanescence
 
What is the catholic churches attitude towards those who confess sins ask for gods forgiveness but are not rependant and purposely repeat them eg. “Oh its ok to steal i’ll just pray for forgiveness later…”

Answer: “ALL ABOARD- tickholders are about to descend!!!”
 
I don’t get it…

please no mind games I suck at them…
Evanescence
 
Repentance of the sin, and “a firm purpose of amendment” of that sin is required for absolution by the Catholic Church.

The Sacrament of Penance gives us grace to help us defeat the habit of this sin. God assures us “that we will not be given what we cannot handle”, that is, tested beyond our endurance.

“Falling from grace,” that is, repeating the sin again, does not erase the original absolution. However, we need to repent again, and sometimes many times. But having a “firm purpose of amendment of that sin” means that we are working within ourselves to defeat this habit of sin. We keep on trying to re-form ourselves into a better self with the help of the graces received in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

I’ve probably missed a few points here. However, my response to your original question is that absolution cannot be valid, or be received if you have no repentance of that sin, be it mortal OR venial, if you do not have an accompanying wish to stop committing that sin. You may “fall” many times, but God’s mercy is infinite, you will get there if you keep trying for improvement.
 
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sweetchuck:
ALL THREE of these conditions must exist for there to be a mortal sin:

1.) The sin must be grave matter - stealing a piece of gum, no. Stealing a lawn mower from Wal-Mart - probably not.
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 A LAWN MOWER COSTS ABOUT $100, RIGHT?  A LAWN MOWER IS NOT EXACTLY LIKE BREAD OR WATER TO A STARVING PERSON, EITHER, IT IS NOT EXACTLY NECESSARY FOR LIFE.  IN MY BOOK, IT IS A MORTAL SIN.  IT IS PREMEDITATED, YOU KNOW IT IS WRONG TO STEAL EVEN A PIECE OF GUM FROM A STORE (DIDN'T YOUR MOTHER TAKE YOU TO THE STORE AND MAKE YOU GIVE IT BACK WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE?
STEALING A PIECE OF GUM MIGHT BE VENIAL ONCE OR TWICE IN YOUR LIFE, BUT WE ARE ALSO CALLED TO A HIGHER MORALITY AND LOVE OF NEIGHBOR, AS YOU ALSO QUOTED IN #1863:

1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. “Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.”
 
Also, addictions that you cannot control wouldn’t be mortal either as long as you are trying to stop. There is a paticular sexual sin that I have been dealing with that the church says is mortal but my priest told me it isn’t because I am trying to stop, and because it’s an addiction I don’t have free will and consent. I have been doing good though it’s been 2 weeks since I last had a slip of this sin which is the longest I have gone.
 
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drknbrew:
Is there a set list of mortal sins out there? If not, what qualifies a sin as mortal. I know the definition of a mortal sin, one the seperates a person from God. :confused:
Hi drknbrew…nice to meecha in cyberspace!
To put it very simply … Mortal sin must have three conditions…

l. To knowingly
2. And willingly
3. Consent to something which you believe is mortal sin

ie… mortal sin must be
l. Grave matter
2. Full knowledge that it is grave matter
3. Full consent to commit a sin that one knows is grave
matter and give the act one’s full consent

Sin is any thought, word or deed against the law of God…which of course includes the laws of The Church.

My director is now deceased but was a Moral Theologian who taught moral theology here in our then Seminary in South Australia. I once asked him how I could be sure I had committed a mortal sin. His reply was “Your heart will tell you, Girl!”.

If you find the above conditions vague, I think they are deliberately so because what is a mortal sin for one…may not be mortal sin for the next as the three conditions are not present, while they are in the former case.

Hope this helps!

Regards Barb
Bethany in South Australia
Sun. 3.7.05 12.49am
He is Risen!
 
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Evanescence:
What is the catholic churches attitude towards those who confess sins ask for gods forgiveness but are not rependant and purposely repeat them eg. “Oh its ok to steal i’ll just pray for forgiveness later…”

Evanescence
I believe to do this, “I’ll go ahead and steal this, I’ll just go to confession later” is called the sin of Presumption and is in itself a mortal sin…
 
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Spooky7272:
I believe to do this, “I’ll go ahead and steal this, I’ll just go to confession later” is called the sin of Presumption and is in itself a mortal sin…
…providing the person insights how very very wrong he/she is in such presumption believing it to be serious sin…yes I agree!!!

… to presume that God will forgive is a sin of ‘thinking God is silly!’… and perhaps Catholic Theology as well…

Barb
 
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