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Friend, examine Matt. 13:54-56 for yourself, which shows the subjects as being from Jesus’ hometown, thereby enabling them to identify His own mother Mary and His natural brothers and sisters. That passage is clear about this:

Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked. “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”
That passage can’t possibly be referring to “the other Mary,” as some want us to believe, but Jesus’ own mother!
Moreover, trying to sweep all of the New Testament passages away by stating that the phrase “brothers of Jesus” is merely an “Old Testament expression” is to ignore all the other verses which show Joseph and Mary had sexual union, but not until, Jesus was born. Matt. 1:25 couldn’t be more clear, especially when considered with Psa. 69:8, which explicitly shows Mary had other children.

Friend, what you will continue to believe about Mary’s perpetual virginity is left entirely up to you. You have read what Scripture declares and what the present-day position from Roman Catholicism declares. But know this, you can’t believe both declarations, since they are antithetical to each other. One must be in error.
 
ok, the numbering is allll wrong…lol. never mind.

Why Mention Mary’s Virginity?
The truth about Mary’s virginity is important to know for several reasons:
(1) According to Catholic tradition from Augustine of Hippo, “heretics” deny Mary’s perpetual virginity. Consider what he wrote:

“Heretics called Antidicomarites are those who contradict the perpetual virginity of Mary and affirm that after Christ was born she was joined as one with her husband” (W. A. Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, p. 166).
Should we conclude that a Christian, who goes by the Scriptural evidence as commanded by 2 Tim. 3:15-17, is a “heretic,” because he rejects Mary’s perpetual virginity? God forbid!
(2) Another reason why it is important to know the truth about Mary’s virginity is because the Mary of Catholicism is not the Mary of the Bible. In other words, the image of Mary, the mother of Jesus, has been changed by Catholicism into something different than the real. She is presented by such as the sinless virgin, Mother of the Church, Mother of Mercies, Door of Paradise, Our Lady of Fatima, The Virgin of the Poor, Lady of the Roses, Co-redemptrix, Queen of Peace, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mediatrix of all Graces, Mother of God, Refuge of Sinners, Gate of Heaven, Queen of Heaven and more. Consider the following:

“Through Mary to Jesus”
Two other common descriptions regarding her are: “Through Mary to Jesus” and Mary is “Our life, Sweetness and Hope.” These pronouncements are more serious than Mary’s perpetual virginity, for they are directly related to salvation and can, therefore, affect our eternal destiny.
Let’s consider the former, “Through Mary to Jesus.” In other words, must we go through Mary to get to the Savior? To find out for sure what the truth is, we must search the Scriptures. If anyone would know, it certainly would be the Lord Jesus. The following is what the Lord Himself taught about us coming to Him:

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light” (Matt. 11:28-30).
Yet you refuse to come to me to have life (John 5:40).
Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty” (John 6:35).
On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink (John 7:37).
NOTE: To refuse to “come” [go] to Jesus, as He Himself taught in these verses means we cannot have spiritual life! On the other hand, to go directly to Him is to find salvation for our souls. This vital truth is beautifully exemplified when the dying thief, being crucified next to Jesus, went DIRECTLY TO JESUS, WITHOUT FIRST GOING THROUGH MARY OR ANYONE ELSE, and he found forgiveness and salvation. The exact word for word exchange is as follows:

Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
According to John’s Gospel account, Mary was at the foot of the cross at this time, yet the thief didn’t go first to her to get to Jesus; neither did Jesus make the repentant thief go through Mary to come to Him! Remember that basic truth about salvation. If we are going to get to Jesus to find salvation it will have to be as the dying thief did, that is, DIRECTLY without first going to anyone else! Also, remember that Jesus doesn’t change (Heb. 13:8). So, if it worked for that dying thief, it will also work for us, which is also the exact way Jesus taught us to “come” to Him (Matt. 11:28-30; Jn. 5:40; 6:35; 7:37). Finally, remember it wasn’t until after the repentant thief came directly to Jesus that the Lord promised him “paradise.” Just knowing this vital truth, about getting to Jesus, won’t do anyone any good unless they act upon it.
 
“Our Life, Sweetness and Hope”
Another very common, but very grave misconception about salvation is that Mary is our “Life, Sweetness and Hope.” This is a common phrase heard when the Rosary prayer (Hail Holy Queen) is recited. What is God’s eternal truth on this subject? Let’s go to the Bible for the answer. Remember, it is the Bible that is FINAL SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY:

And how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:15-17).
The Bible contains all we need to know to make us “wise for salvation” through faith in Christ Jesus. Furthermore, it is FINAL AUTHORITY and it ALONE is needed to equip the man of God for every good work, as the aforementioned declares.
So, bearing all this in mind let’s go to that same source, which is to be the basis for all Christian teaching and which can make us “wise for salvation” through our faith in Christ Jesus:

When Christ, who is YOUR LIFE, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory (Col. 3:4).
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus OUR HOPE (1 Tim. 1:1).
According to Scripture, it is JESUS who is our “Life” and our “Hope.” Furthermore, since “Sweetness” carries the meaning of “gentleness” as found in a thesaurus, then the same can be said about the Lord Jesus:

Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am GENTLE and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. (Matt. 11:29).
Dear friend, the Holy Bible declares Jesus, and HE ALONE, is our Life, Sweetness and Hope. Will you go directly to the Biblical Jesus, to find forgiveness of sins and salvation? How different this is from the picture painted in Catholicism! Consider also what has been written and endorsed about Mary:

“Death Through Eve, Life Through Mary”?
"As St. Irenaeus says, ‘Being obedient she became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.’ Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert …: ‘The knot of Eve’s disobedience was untied by Mary’s obedience: what the virgin Eve bound through her disbelief, Mary loosened by her faith.’ Comparing her with Eve, they call Mary ‘Mother of the living’ and frequently claim: ‘Death through Eve, life through Mary’ (Catechism of the Catholic Church, p. 125, bold emphasis mine).
Once when Jesus was teaching, the following occurred:

Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother” (Matt. 12:47-50).
Jesus declared to become part of His spiritual family we must do the will of the Father. This is further explained in a parallel passage:

He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice” (Luke 8:21).
So to do “the will” of the Father is the same as putting God’s word into “practice”!
 
The True Plan Of Salvation
Furthermore, the true plan of salvation is concisely stated in the Bible as repentance towards God and faith in Christ Jesus (Acts 20:21). We are to produce fruit in keeping with repentance (Matt. 3:8) and prove our repentance by our deeds (Acts 26:20). To “repent” means to turn from your evil ways (Matt. 12:41 cf. Jonah 3:10). Every tree that does not bring forth good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matt. 3:10; 7:19). The Lord Jesus also taught the road to life is “hard” and only a “few” will find it (Matt. 7:13,14, NKJV). The Lord declared there that there are ONLY 2 gates, 2 roads, 2 groups of people and 2 eternal destinies. So don’t follow the crowd, since they are on their way to eternal fire, even though they might not know it.
Moreover, many get saved, but afterwards fall away (Lk. 8:13; Jn. 6:66; 1 Tim. 1:19; etc.). In other words, after initial salvation we must endure to the “end” to enter the kingdom of God and escape the lake of fire (Matt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Eternal life comes to the repentant the moment such believe on Jesus for salvation (Jn. 3:16; 6:47; 1 Jn. 5:12,13), but there is another important aspect of eternal life that many are totally unaware of in our day because of a different false teaching which is commonly called “once saved, always saved.” According to true, Biblical, grace teaching, eternal life is also a HOPE (Titus 3:7), yet to be REAPED (Gal. 6:8,9) in the AGE TO COME (Mk. 10:30) for only the ones who PERSIST IN DOING GOOD (Rom. 2:7) and DO NOT GROW WEARY AND GIVE UP (Gal. 6:9).

Also, remember this: If a saved person sows to please his sinful nature he’ll die spiritually (Rom. 8:13; Gal. 6:8,9). The prodigal is a clear example of this (Lk. 15:24,32). The end result of sin is spiritual death. DO NOT BE DECEIVED by the “once saved, always saved” teachers (James 1:14-16). We must continue to believe (TRUST) on Jesus for our soul’s salvation to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus described his “sheep” as his “followers” (John 10:27). James stated that faith without works is “dead” (James 2:17).

In conclusion, the Jesus of our present hour is not a baby that is laying in a manger or an infant that needs to be held in his mother’s arms. He is an adult who successfully destroyed the devil’s work (1 John 3:8). He is the resurrected “Lord of glory” (1 Cor. 2:8), before whom every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is Lord (Phil. 2:9-11). Jesus has the ONLY name in which salvation is found (Acts 4:12), is the ONLY mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5) and is the judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1 Pet. 4:5). We are advised in Scripture to go directly to Him for forgiveness and to TRUST in Him alone for our soul’s salvation.

Blessed Mary
Finally, as stated earlier in this article, Mary is certainly “blessed” because she gave birth to the Messiah (Lk. 1:42), but this should not be over-emphasized as a woman once tried to do in Jesus’ presence:

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it” (Lk. 11:27,28).
Those were not the words of some Protestant, but the Lord Jesus Himself! What a shock they are to multitudes, not because they are inconsistent with the rest of Scripture, but because of all the faulty teachings that center around a Mary not taught in the Bible. Remember, Jesus was the real Mary’s “firstborn” who taught all to “come” directly to Himself for their soul’s salvation. Never throughout the Gospels did Jesus ever make any sinner go through Mary to come to Him. Never! Furthermore, none of the Lord’s Apostles, including Peter, ever taught: “Through Mary to Jesus.” Why then should we believe it? Moreover, it is JESUS who is “Our Life, Sweetness and Hope.” Dear reader, what you do with this information about Jesus will affect you throughout all of eternity! VERIFY ALL SCRIPTURAL QUOTATIONS FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN BIBLE. God bless you.
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Hi, Jesus is Lord. Welcome to Catholic Answers. If I may, I’d like to suggest you read the forum rules before posting 8 consecutive full length posts to any given thread. I realize you are trying to “set us straight” with regards to your particular interpretation of Scripture, but if you want anyone to take you seriously and read what you post, be succinct. Otherwise, it simply looks as if your intent is to prosyletize (at best) or to spam the thread (at worst).

Post your own opinions and arguments, not an entire article from some other website. If you think the article is pertinent to the discussion, post the first couple of sentences and then a link to the rest of the article.

Again, welcome to Catholic Answers, and I look forward to reading more of this discussion.
 
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The True Plan Of Salvation
Furthermore, the true plan of salvation is concisely stated in the Bible as repentance towards God and faith in Christ Jesus (Acts 20:21). We are to produce fruit in keeping with repentance (Matt. 3:8) and prove our repentance by our deeds (Acts 26:20). To “repent” means to turn from your evil ways (Matt. 12:41 cf. Jonah 3:10). Every tree that does not bring forth good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matt. 3:10; 7:19). The Lord Jesus also taught the road to life is “hard” and only a “few” will find it (Matt. 7:13,14, NKJV). The Lord declared there that there are ONLY 2 gates, 2 roads, 2 groups of people and 2 eternal destinies. So don’t follow the crowd, since they are on their way to eternal fire, even though they might not know it.
Moreover, many get saved, but afterwards fall away (Lk. 8:13; Jn. 6:66; 1 Tim. 1:19; etc.). In other words, after initial salvation we must endure to the “end” to enter the kingdom of God and escape the lake of fire (Matt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Eternal life comes to the repentant the moment such believe on Jesus for salvation (Jn. 3:16; 6:47; 1 Jn. 5:12,13), but there is another important aspect of eternal life that many are totally unaware of in our day because of a different false teaching which is commonly called “once saved, always saved.” According to true, Biblical, grace teaching, eternal life is also a HOPE (Titus 3:7), yet to be REAPED (Gal. 6:8,9) in the AGE TO COME (Mk. 10:30) for only the ones who PERSIST IN DOING GOOD (Rom. 2:7) and DO NOT GROW WEARY AND GIVE UP (Gal. 6:9).

Also, remember this: If a saved person sows to please his sinful nature he’ll die spiritually (Rom. 8:13; Gal. 6:8,9). The prodigal is a clear example of this (Lk. 15:24,32). The end result of sin is spiritual death. DO NOT BE DECEIVED by the “once saved, always saved” teachers (James 1:14-16). We must continue to believe (TRUST) on Jesus for our soul’s salvation to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus described his “sheep” as his “followers” (John 10:27). James stated that faith without works is “dead” (James 2:17).

In conclusion, the Jesus of our present hour is not a baby that is laying in a manger or an infant that needs to be held in his mother’s arms. He is an adult who successfully destroyed the devil’s work (1 John 3:8). He is the resurrected “Lord of glory” (1 Cor. 2:8), before whom every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is Lord (Phil. 2:9-11). Jesus has the ONLY name in which salvation is found (Acts 4:12), is the ONLY mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5) and is the judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1 Pet. 4:5). We are advised in Scripture to go directly to Him for forgiveness and to TRUST in Him alone for our soul’s salvation.

Blessed Mary
Finally, as stated earlier in this article, Mary is certainly “blessed” because she gave birth to the Messiah (Lk. 1:42), but this should not be over-emphasized as a woman once tried to do in Jesus’ presence:

As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it” (Lk. 11:27,28).
Those were not the words of some Protestant, but the Lord Jesus Himself! What a shock they are to multitudes, not because they are inconsistent with the rest of Scripture, but because of all the faulty teachings that center around a Mary not taught in the Bible. Remember, Jesus was the real Mary’s “firstborn” who taught all to “come” directly to Himself for their soul’s salvation. Never throughout the Gospels did Jesus ever make any sinner go through Mary to come to Him. Never! Furthermore, none of the Lord’s Apostles, including Peter, ever taught: “Through Mary to Jesus.” Why then should we believe it? Moreover, it is JESUS who is “Our Life, Sweetness and Hope.” Dear reader, what you do with this information about Jesus will affect you throughout all of eternity! VERIFY ALL SCRIPTURAL QUOTATIONS FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN BIBLE. God bless you.
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1.Could you please show me where the Doctrine of Sola Scripture is found is Scripture.
2.As I stated previous could you show me in Scripture where Jesus’ Brothers are called “Sons of Mary” what you quoted in both posts is" Brothers of Jesus"
One last thought… 1 Corinthians 15:25 says that “Christ must reign UNTIL he has put all his enemies under his feet.” Does this mean that after he has put His enemies under His feet, Christ will cease to reign? NO. Christ will reign forever (Luke 1: 32-33)
 
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maryj:
In Biblical times, as in our own, the word “brother” is used in many different ways. It can indicate sibling,relative,friend,or associate.
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Have you seen Maryj’s signature “Love in Christ, Your sis”.

Could that possibly mean that we share the same mother? I think not!

IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY MOTHER PRAY FOR US SINNERS! :amen:
 
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Myangel:
Have you seen Maryj’s signature “Love in Christ, Your sis”.

Could that possibly mean that we share the same mother? I think not!

IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY MOTHER PRAY FOR US SINNERS! :amen:
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Sorry Maryj I meant Jesus is Lord’s signature!
 
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Myangel:
Sorry Maryj I meant Jesus is Lord’s signature!
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I knew what you meant. No apology necessary(I’m never sure if that’s spelled with two c’s or two s’s!!!)But frankly killer point!!!

I shall be a defender of Mary (the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God)
 
Most, in not all, the arguments against the perpetual virginity of Mary have been presented before. A long time before. St Jerome, in the 300’s refuted these ideas in his paper “The Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary” at http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm"

I think, after 1700 years, a new argument could be found. Until such time, let Jerome respond…he did a beatiful and complete refutation.
 
Amen Evan! :amen:

It’s a sad example of plaguerism and cowardist when “Christ Is Lord” copied and pasted from someone else’s website. 😦

Furthermore he has no knowledge of Historical documents such as “The Protoevangelium of James”

He sounds like one of these “Fundamentalists”. Believe me I know them first hand, as I use to be one of them and also I have a brother that is a Pentecostal Preacher.

They exhibit that ignorance that Paul warned us about…

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Evan:
Most, in not all, the arguments against the perpetual virginity of Mary have been presented before. A long time before. St Jerome, in the 300’s refuted these ideas in his paper “The Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary” at http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm"

I think, after 1700 years, a new argument could be found. Until such time, let Jerome respond…he did a beatiful and complete refutation.
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I will let Jerome respond. But I will never in my life not try to respond to an attack on the Blessed Virgin. I am alive this day because of her intercession and it is my promise to self that I will always respond to such an attack. I owe Her that much and much much more. I must also state that I have learned so much myself about our Blessed mother in defense of Marian doctrine.

How shall I make a return to the Lord for all the good He has done for me? The cup of Salvation I will take up and I will call upon the name of the Lord. Psalm 116: 12-13
 
After 4 or 5 consecutive, very verbose posts from the same individual, immediately above, I kind of forgot what exactly we are supposed to be talking about here…

What was the real question?
What is the title of the thread again?
I’ll have to go back and look, I guess… :confused:
 
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