Mothers and babies separated at birth

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Other State governments are going to be sued for the same thing ,One of my friends has allready been interveiwed about doing a Documentary about Queensland ,She has allready had apologys from the Federal government and two State governments , About the awful treatment she got when she was in the care of the Catholic church and the Federal government
 
Sounds like a good idea. Too bad we don’t do this anymore. What is wrong with enforcing morality and making sure children can be raised in a moral atmosphoere. It is better than killing the baby before it is born.

(I know I am going to get creamed on this one…)
 
To stand on the moral high ground ,You do not lie and you cannot be involved in the abuse of children ,It takes two ( 2 ) to make a baby , In one of the cases in the Documentary ,A baby was taken even though both the mother and the babys father wanted the child , WHERE WAS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND , There was none , It seems the CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS MORAL HIGH GROUND FOR WOMEN BUT NOT FOR MEN , IF YOU LOOK AT THE FILM THE MAGDALENS LAUNDRIES AND WHAT IT SHOWS ,IT SHOWS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DID NOT FOLLOW CHRISTS TEACHING ON FOR GIVENESS .TILL THE CHURCH DOES THAT IT HAS NO MORAL HIGH GROUND ,YOURS MICHAEL MCMANUS
 
rpp said:
Sounds like a good idea. Too bad we don’t do this anymore. What is wrong with enforcing morality and making sure children can be raised in a moral atmosphoere. It is better than killing the baby before it is born.

(I know I am going to get creamed on this one…)
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I understand your concern. However, you need to understand that not every “moral” home turns out to be such. I have a friend of the family who placed her child for adoption. When she met her daughter years laters (the daughter was in her 30s) she found that her daughter grew up with two parents who were alcoholics and abusive. The friend of the family eventually married and would have provided a more moral home for her biological daughter. But then it was better for me to be adopted to my family b/c my biological mother is on her third marriage (my parents are on their second) and her second husband was an alcoholic and physically abusive. Of her two other children, my biological half brother has been in and out of juvi and prison, by biological half sister was in the foster care system.

To force a woman and man to place their child for adoption is COMPLETELY against Catholic teaching, Christ’s teaching. It is one step above forced Islam. Keep in mind, I believe that more unmarried teens should choose adoption for their child, but free will is there for a reason. As a single mother, it IS possible to live a moral life after the sin of premarital sex. If it weren’t for my daughter, I’d probably still be sinning as terribly as I had (I’m still a sinner, it’s just that the sin is different and isn’t as grave).
 
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I understand your concern. However, you need to understand that not every “moral” home turns out to be such. I have a friend of the family who placed her child for adoption. When she met her daughter years laters (the daughter was in her 30s) she found that her daughter grew up with two parents who were alcoholics and abusive. The friend of the family eventually married and would have provided a more moral home for her biological daughter. But then it was better for me to be adopted to my family b/c my biological mother is on her third marriage (my parents are on their second) and her second husband was an alcoholic and physically abusive. Of her two other children, my biological half brother has been in and out of juvi and prison, by biological half sister was in the foster care system.

To force a woman and man to place their child for adoption is COMPLETELY against Catholic teaching, Christ’s teaching. It is one step above forced Islam. Keep in mind, I believe that more unmarried teens should choose adoption for their child, but free will is there for a reason. As a single mother, it IS possible to live a moral life after the sin of premarital sex. If it weren’t for my daughter, I’d probably still be sinning as terribly as I had (I’m still a sinner, it’s just that the sin is different and isn’t as grave).
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Hmm… You make good points, particularly in the second paragraph. I think the motivation of these laws was to remove children from “loose” women and prostitutes; to protect children from a bad upbrininging. That there are bad adoptive parents out there has never been in doubt. That there are bad biological parents can be demonstrated by spending just one hour at a 9-1-1 call center in a large city.

You are right about the forced removal of children being like Islam when it forces the children of infidels (who were permitted to live) to be removed from the home. But that is a little too drastic. Islam does this as a means to coerce conversions to Islam (Coerced conversion is permissible in Islamic theology). That is not the goal of these laws. These laws were meant to protect children from objectively bad situations.

I will readily admit that any person, no matter what sins they have committed or what life they lead in the past, can, with the Grace of God, reject sin and live a righteous life. Even, and perhaps especially, mothers of illegitimate chidren.

But I think it is wrong to assume it is always, or even usually, good to keep children with their parents when the parent have serious problems. After all, how many news articles have we come accross where some drug-addicted protitute, or her pimp, abuses or kills a child, even under the “watchful” eye of child welfare agencies.

While they certainly are not the only ones who abuse children, they are the most common abusers, I suspect. While true some foster parents behave as if they are demons straight from the abyss, I do not think that is representative of them.
 
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