Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum does not extend to Ambrosian Rite

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The Patriarchs, Major Archbishops, and Synods are the last word for liturgical practices (including rubrics, translations, and versions) of the respective liturgies of the Eastern churches.

Therefore, it would seem to me that the Abp. of Milan has the last word on the Milanese Liturgy, don’t you think?
 
<<This brings up an interesting question- can the Motu Proprio, at least in spirit, apply to Rites other then the Roman that have new and old forms?>>

I forgot to mention, many liturgical abuses in the Roman rite that have so grieved the Holy Father and many faithful who post here have been excused by the charm “the spirit of Vatican II.”

Better watch out what door you’re opening when you talk about the “spirit of the motu proprio.”
 
As best I understand it, an mp is specific to the issues discussed. Since other rites were not discussed, they would not be bound by it.
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Patriarchs, Major Archbishops, and Synods are the last word for liturgical practices (including rubrics, translations, and versions) of the respective liturgies of the Eastern churches.

Therefore, it would seem to me that the Abp. of Milan has the last word on the Milanese Liturgy, don’t you think?
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That would be true, if the Ambrosian Rite were an Eastern rite, but it’s considered a form of the Western rite (like the Mozarabic), and so the pope would still have final jurisdiction over it. (I believe…)
 
Now, having said what I said above, I think the general consensus, as far as I’ve been reading, is that the MP only applies to the TLM and not to any other rites. However, the issue is vague enough that Ecclesia Dei is considering giving some kind of ruling, apparently (although nothing formal about that yet…).
 
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Now, having said what I said above, I think the general consensus, as far as I’ve been reading, is that the MP only applies to the TLM and not to any other rites. However, the issue is vague enough that Ecclesia Dei is considering giving some kind of ruling, apparently (although nothing formal about that yet…).
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Juridically speaking, probably correct, but the MP also seems to establish certain principles that may come into play here.

One being that a rite that was never formally abrogated remains a lawful rite.
The other being that what was long held as the most sacred and treasured possession of the Church cannot suddenly be treated as wrong or harmful.

Exactly what will become of this remains to be seen but we can hope that these principles may help restore the older form of the Ambrosian and Mozarabic rites as well as some others as well (Carmelite, Dominican,etc.)
 
It is a shame that so many ancient and beautiful rites have been discarded. I once read that the Church never drops anything ancient from the liturgy. This doesn’t seem to be the case.

I would try to contact others who feel the same way about the ancient Abrosian Rite. Maybe there are people who are fighting for the use of this liturgy; they may be able to answer any questions you have.

If enough people lobby for it, the Holy Father may issue a Motu Proprio specifically concerning this rite.

To answer your question, I don’t think the Motu Proprio concerns the ancient Ambrosian liturgy but I do think that it’s message is applicable to your situation. For example, the fact that it was never abbrogated, and that it is still a valid liturgy of the Church etc.
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Patriarchs, Major Archbishops, and Synods are the last word for liturgical practices (including rubrics, translations, and versions) of the respective liturgies of the Eastern churches.

Therefore, it would seem to me that the Abp. of Milan has the last word on the Milanese Liturgy, don’t you think?
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For almost all of Milanese ecclesiastical history this has been true, but starting roughly 100 years ago or so (I can’t remember the exact date, but certainly within the last 200), the Archbishop of Milan has been under the thumb of the Holy See for liturgical questions. So if His Holiness wants to free up the classical Ambrosian rite, His Excellency will have to accept that. We just need to wait and see whether 1) this was truly intended by the MP and 2) Benedict thinks it worthwhile to force the issue.
 
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