Motu Proprio

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Rome gave us the Motu Proprio to quiet those who were wishing for a more liberal use of the Latin Mass. Can we really trust those priests who do the Latin Mass that are appointead by the Bishop? Do they believe in the Real Presence, or do they just learn the Mass because the Bishop said they were going to do it? Do they really believe in the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? And what of the Priests whose ordination was in the Novos Ordo, do they have the facilities to do the Latin Mass? Just wondering.
 
Get a life! If you are truly concerned get down on your knees and pray for those priests. If you wonder just to stir the nest then read sentence #1.
 
You can what if yourself to death. But it is more charitable to presume a priest is sincere. Why would you assume they are no sincere? What benefit is there to that attitude? You are also implying that you do not trust the bishop. How is that being obedient to legitimate authority?

(These are rhetorical questions, an answer is not needed or expected.)

You appear to be skating very close to the heresy of Donatism. Sacraments are valid even if the priest performing them is in a state of mortal sin, which would include doubt.

It is very popular among some SSPX people I have know to claim that a consecration is not valid of the priest does not believe in or has doubts about the Real Presence. This is not correct and is associated with the heresy of Donatism.

In fact the Eucharistic Miracle in Lanciano, Italy in the 8th is proof that this is attitude incorrect. The monk/priest who did the consecration was having grave doubts. If what these lay SSPX people said was true, the miracle of Lanciano would have never happened.
 
archmich said:
Rome gave us the Motu Proprio to quiet those who were wishing for a more liberal use of the Latin Mass. Can we really trust those priests who do the Latin Mass that are appointead by the Bishop? Do they believe in the Real Presence, or do they just learn the Mass because the Bishop said they were going to do it? Do they really believe in the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? And what of the Priests whose ordination was in the Novos Ordo, do they have the facilities to do the Latin Mass? Just wondering.
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In order: Yes. Yes, No. Yes. Yes.

In all charity, perhaps there are other, more fruitful ventures for you to wonder about?
 
rpp said:
If what these lay SSPX people said was true, the miracle of Lanciano would have never happened.
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I’m curious what you’re referring to here. I’ve never heard of this. Sounds interesting!

Hearing stories about Eucharistic miracles helps remind me that what happens at Mass is truly special. Sometimes I have to really stretch my mind to realize that, because in my church it’s hard to look past all the “Kumbaya” singing and see the Eucharist for what it is.
 
archmich said:
Rome gave us the Motu Proprio to quiet those who were wishing for a more liberal use of the Latin Mass. Can we really trust those priests who do the Latin Mass that are appointead by the Bishop? Do they believe in the Real Presence, or do they just learn the Mass because the Bishop said they were going to do it? Do they really believe in the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ? And what of the Priests whose ordination was in the Novos Ordo, do they have the facilities to do the Latin Mass? Just wondering.
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Well I would say, with all the genuflections the priest must make, all the signs of the cross he must make, all the care he must take at the altar (even to the point of mandatory scraping the corporal with the paten to insure not one particle remains on it)…yea…he would be a fool not to believe what is there…all the rigorously controlled motions and actions that denote worship of the Blessed Sacrament and utmost care…

any priest who believed otherwise would not do it.

And yes - any priest ordained in the Roman Rite, no matter when - can say or sing the Mass in the Extraordinary Form - they do not need to be trained and do not need the Bishop’s permission anymore. Even if the Diocese says otherwise they no longer can forbid priests from saying Mass in accordance with the 1962 Missal - they can only go by the guidelines issued by the MP.

Ken
 
Thanks to those who replied. You’ve given me food for thought.
 
archmich, our Holy Father’s MP is about acknowledgement, not appeasement.

Please read the MP. Or re-read it. It’s not a command to Bishops to make sure the Forma Extraordinaria is offered in their diocese. It is a clarification. The Forma Extraordinaria is not to be suppressed.
 
I_Believe said:
Please read the MP. Or re-read it. It’s not a command to Bishops to make sure the Forma Extraordinaria is offered in their diocese. It is a clarification. The Forma Extraordinaria is not to be suppressed.
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If only the other “traditionalist” catholics here felt the same way…:dts:
 
ApologeticsGirl said:
I’m curious what you’re referring to here. I’ve never heard of this. Sounds interesting!

Hearing stories about Eucharistic miracles helps remind me that what happens at Mass is truly special. Sometimes I have to really stretch my mind to realize that, because in my church it’s hard to look past all the “Kumbaya” singing and see the Eucharist for what it is.
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The miracle of Lanciano is an approved and authenticated miracle. In the 8th century, a priest who was having doubts about the Real Presence was saying Mass. When he consecrated the bread and wine, it changed into actual flesh and blood. These have been preserved to this day. The blood is stored in a sealed glass container. Over the centuries, it has coagulated, yet each year on the anniversary of this Eucharistic miracle, it inexplicably returns to a liquid state.

Here is a web site that discusses it.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
 
I thought THIS BLOG POST was incredibly insightful. The title is: A liberal priest celebrates his first TLM

It has been posted here on CA before, but I thought it relevant to this discussion.

~Liza
 
lizaanne said:
I thought THIS BLOG POST was incredibly insightful. The title is: A liberal priest celebrates his first TLM

It has been posted here on CA before, but I thought it relevant to this discussion.

~Liza
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If only we had blogs back in 1970, so folks could record their thoughts when the NO in vernacular was introduced 👍
 
Richie_Nelson said:
If only we had blogs back in 1970, so folks could record their thoughts when the NO in vernacular was introduced 👍
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It might have been more interesting had they been around when changes in the liturgy started appearing in 1963. Vernacular started appearing a few years before the NO.
 
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