Movement in the Sign of Peace movement movement [Fr. Z]

[Catholic_Opinion]

A tip of the three-pointed biretta o***{]***:¬) goes to Jimmy Akin who found an interesting item about the always controversial Sign of Peace in the Novus Ordo.

Where should it go?

You have probably heard there has been some discussion, perhaps prompted by the Holy Father, about the placement of the Sign of Peace during Mass. The Congregation for Divine Worship is tasked with exploring such questions.

The Committee [for Divine Worship] reviewed the findings of a survey requested of the USCCB by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments regarding the placement of the Sign of Peace at Mass.

Of the 89 Bishops who responded, 66% supported moving the Sign of Peace after the Prayer of the Faithful and before the Presentation of the Gifts, 32% recommended retaining the Sign of Peace at its current location before the Agnus Dei, and 2% offered alternative opinions.

A report from the USCCB was submitted to the Congregation’s then-Prefect, Francis Cardinal Arinze.
You know… the Sign of Peace has been in the present place for over a thousand years, if memory serves.

Is this tinkeritis?

If the Sign of Peace is detracting from preparation for a disposition for receiving Communion reverently and thoughtfully, then the problem is not where the Sign of Peace is. The problem is, IMO, having it at all on most occasions in for form it presently takes…. which is formless. The Sign of Peace becomes something it was never intended to be.

Remember: the invitation to the congregation to make a Sign of Peace is an OPTION.

Full entry…

 

[benedictgal]

If memory serves, this was something that the Holy Father was exploring, basing his notion on the Ambrosian Rite that is still celebrated in Milan (I believe). That was also the one concession he granated to the Neocatechumenal Movement during their celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Nonetheless, I do agree that this beautiful gesture has taken on a life of its own and has become formless, having lost solemnity and sobriety. It has turned into a series of high-fives, peace signs, bear hugs and kisses. We seem to have forgotten that this ritual needs to be exercised with sobriety.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

A tip of the three-pointed biretta o***{]***:¬) goes to Jimmy Akin who found an interesting item about the always controversial Sign of Peace in the Novus Ordo.

Where should it go?

You have probably heard there has been some discussion, perhaps prompted by the Holy Father, about the placement of the Sign of Peace during Mass. The Congregation for Divine Worship is tasked with exploring such questions.
The Committee [for Divine Worship] reviewed the findings of a survey requested of the USCCB by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments regarding the placement of the Sign of Peace at Mass.

Of the 89 Bishops who responded, 66% supported moving the Sign of Peace after the Prayer of the Faithful and before the Presentation of the Gifts, 32% recommended retaining the Sign of Peace at its current location before the Agnus Dei, and 2% offered alternative opinions.

A report from the USCCB was submitted to the Congregation’s then-Prefect, Francis Cardinal Arinze.
You know… the Sign of Peace has been in the present place for over a thousand years, if memory serves.

Is this tinkeritis?

If the Sign of Peace is detracting from preparation for a disposition for receiving Communion reverently and thoughtfully, then the problem is not where the Sign of Peace is. The problem is, IMO, having it at all on most occasions in for form it presently takes…. which is formless. The Sign of Peace becomes something it was never intended to be.

Remember: the invitation to the congregation to make a Sign of Peace is an OPTION.

Full entry…

In know that some are of the opinion that the Sign of Peace is optional but I have been told by a liturgist (a priest how heads the liturgical group for a diocese) that the Sign of Peace is not optional all that is optional is the priest or deacon saying “Let us offer each other the sign of peace.”

 

[Phemie]

In know that some are of the opinion that the Sign of Peace is optional but I have been told by a liturgist (a priest how heads the liturgical group for a diocese) that the Sign of Peace is not optional all that is optional is the priest or deacon saying “Let us offer each other the sign of peace.”

But without that invitation there is no ‘sign of peace’. The priest wishes us peace; I’d have to recheck the Sacramentary but I don’t recall the priest exchanging the sign of peace with anyone if the invitation is not extended to the congregation.

 

[DebChris]

OK, I’m doing the repetitive, annoying, “Yea, but …” thing.

I’m interested to know where the idea that we’re supposed to understand the kiss or sign of peace in terms of Mt 5:23 comes from?

At first I thought you were citing CCC 1345 to indicate that Justin says so. But, Justin doesn’t mention any rationale when he says, when “concluded we exchange the kiss,” so clearly you were not citing Justin as authority for the Mt 5:23 interpretation of sign of peace at Mass.
Does anybody know what the grounds are for interpreting the kiss or sign of peace during Mass in terms of Mt 5:23?
It doesn’t make much sense to me. Since so many people are surrounded by family and neighbors at Mass, it seems like we could just as easily cite Mt 5:46: For if you love them that love you, what reward shall you have? do not even the publicans this?

TIA, ASD​

Sermon on the Mount

The purpose of citing CCC1343 was to show where the “kiss of peace” was placed during early liturgies.
Who are the people against whom we are most likely to hold a grudge or have disagreements? Is it not the people with whom we are most commonly in contact, with whom we have a vested interest? While not necessarily the main reason for having the Sign of Peace before the Offertory, Mt.5:23 can still serve as a supporting reason just as St. Benedict included the Lord’s Prayer in every recitation of the Liturgy of the Hours partly for improved brotherly relationships among the monks in an abbey. “And his commandment is this: we should believe in his son, Jesus Christ, and love one another just as he commanded us” (1 John 3:23)…“whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen” (John 4:20).

It’s not that I’m not charitable, I just have issues with physical boundaries and with strangers touching me, due to having Asperger’s Syndrome. It takes me a while to warm up to people I don’t know, so I’m just not a very touchy-feely person.

I have a grandson with Asperger’s Syndrome. I still like my brother’s response when I explained that Aspies have difficulty with social relationships. “Doesn’t everybody?” My grandson, as well as the girl from my parish with AsperIger’s actually like the Sign of Peace and are active participants. What can be difficult during the Mass is moving from deep adoration to shaking hands with our neighbor and then immediately returning to that same level of deep adoration.

One of the results of ecumenism since Vatican II is the adoption by our non-Catholic brothers and sisters of many of the elements that are included within in our own worship. One of these is following the same liturgical calendar. Another is the inclusion of the Sign of Peace. During the past month I have attended worship services within both Presbyterian and Episcopal churches. Both denominations have the Sign of Peace before the Offertory.

 

[Hieronymvs]

www.movimentoliturgico.com.br/Portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54rbigatoriedade-da-saudacao-da-paz&catid=42:cat-artigos-liturgia&Itemid=53

This is explained in the link above, rite of peace, before communion, isn’t just shaking hands or weird kissing. This is the end, which is optional, if convenient.

Sometimes I attend novus ordo mass in a chapel very close from here, rite of peace is used, but salutations are reserved to the end of mass, when the priest and his “altar ancient” go to the exit door, and give a goodbye, completely out of liturgy, instead of corrupting it.

Note: article in portuguese